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Discussion in 'General Baptist Discussions' started by Salty, Jun 24, 2021.

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What makes a person a Baptist?

  1. By joining a Baptist Church

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  2. By being in a Baptist family

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  3. By agreeing with Baptist Beleifs

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  4. Other answer - please explain

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  1. Yeshua1

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    Its either God saves us alone Himself, or we co assist him some fashion!
     
    #21 Yeshua1, Jul 14, 2021
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    Sounds like you have bought the lie that action based on free will is somehow "assisting" God and "earning" salvation by a "work."

    God saves us according to His good purposes and we are unable to do anything outside of God's election. At the same time, we exercise free will and engage with God to some degree to be saved. The two positions do not contradict and represent, at least, a third way.
     
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    I am not. I'm Southern Baptist (not Reformed Baptist or Free-Will Baptist). In terms of soteriology I am not a Calvinist, an Arminian, or an Amyraldian. I believe all three incorrect.
     
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    Nor am I, but you used the term and someone may have misunderstood its usage.
     
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    Only 2 options here, either God alone saves us, or we co assist him to save us!
     
    #25 Yeshua1, Jul 14, 2021
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    I'm talking about Calvinism (I am not a Calvinist), Arminianism (I am not an Arminian), and Amyraldianism (I am not an Amyraldianist).

    As such, I would not be comfortable teaching or preaching any of those theological views as truth because that would be dishonest.

    But at the same time, I realize people have to articulate their faith in a way they can grasp. So I have no issue calling any of those Christians family.
     
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    One can preach and teach in each from the scriptures. as still we have much in common held beliefs!
     
    #27 Yeshua1, Jul 15, 2021
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    Yes, one could. But there are still issues of interpretation.

    My personal view is the pastor has the responsibility of the pulpit. He should not have someone preaching who dies not pass his test of correct doctrine (a free-will pastor shouldn't have a Reformed pastor teaching his congregation).

    I have interacted with you for years. I can safely say that you would not be able to teach or preach without interpreting Scripture through the lens if Calvinism. That is how you see it, to the extent you cannot fathom other interpretations (you even say "Paul and Jesus thought...") .

    We are all like that (some more than others). We have an understanding and naturally our understanding influences how we read Scripture.

    It is rare for a Calvinist who was an Arminian to return to Arminianism as he or she left that position because errors were identified (it would be returning to error).

    Likewise, a former Calvinist who leaves because of errors in that position will not return to Calvinism (as it would be returning to error).

    When we teach we want to teach against error, but can only address inconsistencies between doctrine and Scripture when we understand those inconsistencies.

    In a local church cobntext it is best for a Reformed Baptist to teach Reformed Baptists and a Free-Will Baptist to teach Free-Will Baptists as they have decided the doctrinal differences enough to form a sect apart from the whole.

    That said, each should consider the others interpretation.
     
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    I was speaking more towards though one could preach at another church if was asked to do such!
     
    #29 Yeshua1, Jul 15, 2021
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