Will there be a "millenium" in which Jesus physically rules this earth?

[robycop3]

On another thread, a gent said there won't be any "millenium", despite Scripture's PROVING there will be. I shall now post those Scriptures:

Rev. 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was committed to them. Then I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God, who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received his mark on their foreheads or on their hands. And they lived and reigned with Christ for a thousand years. 5 But the rest of the dead did not live again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. 6 Blessed and holy is he who has part in the first resurrection. Over such the second death has no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with Him a thousand years.

Remember, this is after Jesus has returned.

I don't see how that gent can deny there'll be a "millenium" in the face of those Scriptures. Other Readers, what are YOUR thoughts & opinions? Please note the verses surrounding those I posted. The gent who posted the denial is welcome also.

 

[xlsdraw]

Absolutely

 

[Iconoclast]

It has been going on since the cross.
It is still growing like the mustard seed
Hebrews12:22-29.

 

[Yeshua1]

On another thread, a gent said there won't be any "millenium", despite Scripture's PROVING there will be. I shall now post those Scriptures:

Rev. 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was committed to them. Then I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God, who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received his mark on their foreheads or on their hands. And they lived and reigned with Christ for a thousand years. 5 But the rest of the dead did not live again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. 6 Blessed and holy is he who has part in the first resurrection. Over such the second death has no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with Him a thousand years.

Remember, this is after Jesus has returned.

I don't see how that gent can deny there'll be a "millenium" in the face of those Scriptures. Other Readers, what are YOUR thoughts & opinions? Please note the verses surrounding those I posted. The gent who posted the denial is welcome also.

Yes, will be the Messianic Age established when the King returns!

 

[robycop3]

It has been going on since the cross.
It is still growing like the mustard seed
Hebrews12:22-29.

HUH ? ?

How can it be going on when Jesus hasn't returned yet?

 

[Iconoclast]

HUH ? ?

How can it be going on when Jesus hasn't returned yet?

He is ruling from Heaven with a rod of Iron rule.
The Kingdom is growing worldwide as promised.
He rules in the MIDST of His enemies until the last day.. 1cor15.

 

[canadyjd]

On another thread, a gent said there won't be any "millenium", despite Scripture's PROVING there will be. I shall now post those Scriptures:

Rev. 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was committed to them. Then I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God, who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received his mark on their foreheads or on their hands. And they lived and reigned with Christ for a thousand years. 5 But the rest of the dead did not live again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. 6 Blessed and holy is he who has part in the first resurrection. Over such the second death has no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with Him a thousand years.

Remember, this is after Jesus has returned.

I don't see how that gent can deny there'll be a "millenium" in the face of those Scriptures. Other Readers, what are YOUR thoughts & opinions? Please note the verses surrounding those I posted. The gent who posted the denial is welcome also.

The context of Rev 20 is the reward those saints beheaded during the tribulation will receive. They reign “with” Jesus for 1000 years.

Jesus’s reign is eternal. The passage says nothing about reigning on earth.

peace to you

 

[robycop3]

The context of Rev 20 is the reward those saints beheaded during the tribulation will receive. They reign “with” Jesus for 1000 years.

Jesus’s reign is eternal. The passage says nothing about reigning on earth.

peace to you

Well, actually, Revelation DOES. At the end of the millenium, Satan is freed from the abyss & organizes an EARTHLY attack upon the camp pf the saints, where, of course, Jesus is. (Remember, the saints will reign WITH JESUS.)

Rev. 20:7 Now when the thousand years have expired, Satan will be released from his prison 8 and will go out to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle, whose number is as the sand of the sea. 9 They went up on the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city.

 

[robycop3]

He is ruling from Heaven with a rod of Iron rule.
The Kingdom is growing worldwide as promised.
He rules in the MIDST of His enemies until the last day.. 1cor15.

You're not making any sense. If He's already ruling with a rod of iron, why is sin so prevalent ??????????

Do you have a streak of preterism?

 

[Iconoclast]

You're not making any sense. If He's already ruling with a rod of iron, why is sin so prevalent ??????????

Do you have a streak of preterism?

His enemies sin everyday.
That is why it says He riles in the midst of His enemies.
Not one sin is going to go unpunished.

In your idea....how does the rod of Iron rule work? Sinners are going to be in your millennium...what happens when they sin

 

[robycop3]

His enemies sin everyday.
That is why it says He riles in the midst of His enemies.
Not one sin is going to go unpunished.

In your idea....how does the rod of Iron rule work? Sinners are going to be in your millennium...what happens when they sin

It's not MY mil...it's THE mil, which will definitely occur, or Scripture is wrong.

Jesus will deal swiftly with it, with some sorta punishment short of death. But I think you know that "ruling with a rod of iron" means no disobedience will be tolerated.

 

[Iconoclast]

It's not MY mil...it's THE mil, which will definitely occur, or Scripture is wrong.

Jesus will deal swiftly with it, with some sorta punishment short of death. But I think you know that "ruling with a rod of iron" means no disobedience will be tolerated.

Everyone will be under discipline 24/7...
So like angels will tazer them? Or perhaps scourge them?
Do angels just appear suddenly like the taliban and stamp out evil thoughts?
Foul speech? Lustful looks?

 

[robycop3]

Everyone will be under discipline 24/7...
So like angels will tazer them? Or perhaps scourge them?
Do angels just appear suddenly like the taliban and stamp out evil thoughts?
Foul speech? Lustful looks?

You'll hafta ask JESUS, as the millenium & Jesus' iron-rod rule haven't happened yet.

 

[canadyjd]

Well, actually, Revelation DOES. At the end of the millenium, Satan is freed from the abyss & organizes an EARTHLY attack upon the camp pf the saints, where, of course, Jesus is. (Remember, the saints will reign WITH JESUS.)

Rev. 20:7 Now when the thousand years have expired, Satan will be released from his prison 8 and will go out to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle, whose number is as the sand of the sea. 9 They went up on the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city.

John does not write in chronological order. He writes in repeated themes giving more details in each section.

peace to you

 

[Iconoclast]

You'll hafta ask JESUS, as the millenium & Jesus' iron-rod rule haven't happened yet.

Once again you cannot answer a simple question.
You want to say what cannot happen and yet you cannot answer anything.
Just make something up like you do most of the time.

 

[Dave G]

Everyone will be under discipline 24/7...

Yes.
The sun will also shine 7 times brighter than it does now, and midnight will be as noon ( Isaiah 30:19-26 ).

So like angels will tazer them? Or perhaps scourge them?

Have you read Revelation 19?

The armies of His people that are in Heaven follow Him on white horses when He comes again.
They will rule and reign with Him 1,000 years.

He won't need angels to help, as He will have all authority.

Do angels just appear suddenly like the taliban and stamp out evil thoughts?

That is what the rod of iron is for...
To rule those who are disobedient.

He won't stamp out the evil thoughts, but He will punish the evil that men do.
He will even penalize the people who refuse to honor Him on His throne by withholding the rain from them.

Foul speech? Lustful looks?

The rule of His law, Tony.
He will have all power on earth, to know thoughts and to punish wickedness.

It will be the theocracy that Israel was prophesied to have and to be part of.
As in other threads where this was shown to you, He will rule from Jerusalem on the throne of His father David.
Read Zechariah 10 through Zechariah 14 again.
Then Micah 4 and parts of Isaiah ( Isaiah 2, for starters ) and Jeremiah.


I think you've missed the parts that have yet to be fulfilled.
It is all spelled out in the Scriptures.

 

[Iconoclast]

Dave G,

Hello DG,
We have not interacted in a while, hope you are well.

Have you read Revelation 19?[/QUOTE]

lol.I have read it a time or two.I do not see where the link is made in rev.19 to the 1000year reign.

The armies of His people that are in Heaven follow Him on white horses when He comes again.
They will rule and reign with Him 1,000 years.

The 1000 years is not mentioned in this chapter.It is only discussed in chapter 20.
Rev.19 looks more like a description of the last day.

He won't need angels to help, as He will have all authority.

Dave...He has had all authority since Mt.28:18-20....what is different?
I was taught the view you are describing, and have taught it myself in times past.
I am asking to draw out your understanding a bit.

That is what the rod of iron is for...
To rule those who are disobedient.

Dave , it is in these details that I found I eventually raised more questions that I had answers for.
for example;
Jesus walked on earth among men, He was and is God with us.
Now the Apostles saw him, before the cross, after the cross, and ascending into heaven.
That was quite an amazing 3.5 years.
Now that being said, when John sees the glorified Christ we read this;
14 His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire;

15 And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters.

16 And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp twoedged sword: and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength.

17 And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last:

18 I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.

So Dave, my question to you is...
how can the glorified Christ dwell on earth physically alongside of sinners, unsaved persons doing what unsaved people do?

He won't stamp out the evil thoughts, but He will punish the evil that men do.
He will even penalize the people who refuse to honor Him on His throne by withholding the rain from them.

Dave, I used to attempt to offer these answers also, but Jesus taught that evil thoughts are sin also...not just what we do.
So just picture in your mind, how the logistics of this would work???
Are people without the Spirit going to attempt to worship in the flesh?
Are all false world religions going to continue?
Will middle eastern people continue to walk around in burkas and robes?
What if someone wants to worship Satan?
What if sodomites want to commit those sins that they are known for?
if a person is working as a janitor, or garbage man, and God himself is walking around on Earthly Jerusalem, would he still just pack his lunch pail and go to work as if God, the glorified Lord Jesus Christ who made John fall to the ground like a dead man was not here on earth???
Would the NFL and Nascar, and golf, and baseball,continue to defile the Lord's day?
Do nations and governments still exist?
Police?
Military?
United Nations?
Poverty in the world?

The rule of His law, Tony.
He will have all power on earth, to know thoughts and to punish wickedness.

Yes, I know what you have to answer here, and to your credit, you know exactly it is to God's law we have to look to, but If I recall the teaching, there are unsaved people walking around who at the end of this literal period want to rebel and follow Satan right before the end.

It will be the theocracy that Israel was prophesied to have and to be part of.

The book I am reading is dealing with this issue and pointing to the fact that we should be moving in that direction right now, but those ideas get rejected even before any thought is given to it.

As in other threads where this was shown to you, He will rule from Jerusalem on the throne of His father David.

David....the thing is...He is ruling from Jerusalem right now. The Heavenly Jerusalem....micah ,and isa 2...the law is going forth from Zion now as the Kingdom expands;
27 All the ends of the world shall remember and turn unto the Lord: and all the kindreds of the nations shall worship before thee.

28 For the kingdom is the Lord's: and he is the governor among the nations.

Read Zechariah 10 through Zechariah 14 again.
Then Micah 4 and parts of Isaiah ( Isaiah 2, for starters ) and Jeremiah.

Yes...now read it as if it is the Heavenly Jerusalem. Hebrews12:22-29

I think you've missed the parts that have yet to be fulfilled.
It is all spelled out in the Scriptures.

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I have them on the back burner for now David.I have not missed them, but am looking with a different lens now,

 

[thomas15]

The Bible speaks of a Messianic rule on earth which is yet future. It comes back down to what exactly is the New Covenant and does God actually keep His promises or does He change His mind due to a lack of what the A-mills think is a lack of patience.

 

[robycop3]

Once again you cannot answer a simple question.
You want to say what cannot happen and yet you cannot answer anything.
Just make something up like you do most of the time.

The Q you asked is equivalent to asking, "What team's gonna win the 2021 World Series?"

So, I made up the Scriptures I posted, eh? Where would we be without your ginormous erudition?

 

[robycop3]

John does not write in chronological order. He writes in repeated themes giving more details in each section.

peace to you

I believe most of what he wrote about the coming of the beast & his empire, some of the plagues of the trib, the return of Jesus, & the events that follow are in chronological order. The fall of the 2nd Babylon, etc. are not in that order.