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Sure, for they are the wrath of God.

Not poured out upon the Saviour, but upon the ungodly.

 

You were doing good until this point.

The wages of sin is death and that is PHYSICAL death, not “spiritual”.

It is after death that the judgement comes, the second death.

The word death in the Scriptures nearly always pertains to the physical body vitality ceasing.

It is this death that is cast into the lake of fire.

The Savior’s body ceased vitality; but, as evidenced by His conversation with the thief, He did no die Spiritually.

 

There is nothing here that is disagreeable other than your treatment of the word death.

Your statements (with that exception) fit nicely into what @JonC and I have posted.

However, this is not the complete statement of PSA theory, is it.

Packer calls it divine Justice. Others “the wrath of God” and it is what makes PSA error.

It is that which others on these threads have been greatly exercised about and which @JonC and I have consistently shown is false teaching.

So, do I assume you agree with @JonC and me?

 

And this is disputed by @JonC and I, where?

 

No, actually, I didn't write that. I wrote that He bore the PENALTY for our sin. He exhausted our punishment in a few short hours what we could not exhaust in an eternity in hell. This does not mean, nor does it say that He became sinful - which would make Him an insufficient sacrifice.

I'm not going to bother addressing the rest of your strawman. Feel free to respond to what I actually wrote.

Edit: Nevermind, you messed up the quotation at the beginning and it confused me. Though I'm really not all that sure of what you are saying, and what you are arguing against.

 

which is what @JonC and I have been presenting.

There was no wrath of God poured out upon the Son, but the natural consequences of the wages of sin.

The physical death of the Saviour, and every person’s death is the wages of sin.

After physical death comes the judgement, not prior, for the unbeliever is already condemned, and the unbeliever is untouched by the physical death but is passed from that death to eternal life.

It is the presentation of the wrath of God poured out upon the Christ that is error.

 

Why does sin end in death? Why does God have a law? Why is God angry with sinners who break His law? Why do sinners suffer in hell?

 

im not convinced that He was being punished on the cross.

For there to be punishment, their must have been a crime, yet the Chris was innocently placed by the hands of men to suffer and die, thus fulfilling the statements of the prophets.

Did He suffer? Yes.

The why of the suffering is where we may not agree.

 

Sin is rebellion.

The sin of every person is rebellion.

it is that which God judges.

Did Christ at any point rebell?

 

The sacrifice of our Lord was pleasing to God. Therefore it satisfied eternally the breach caused by the decrees which stood against humankind and the resulting lack of fellowship between God and humanity.

Just as in OT the breach was temporarily healed by death and Blood, so too the breach was permanently healed by the death and blood of the Savior.

The benefit to believers is the lack of “tasting death” in the form of some torturous keeping place until the final judgement.

There is no victory for the grave, and death has no sting for the believer, for we have eternal life.

 

This is a big swing and a miss.Not anywhere near truth.
So by saying the bowl judgments are yet future you are saying the wrath of God against the sin of all departed believers does not get punished?
All since the first century have been given a "sin with no consequence card?

 

So....now you deny that Adam died spiritually?
Do you really want to ignore the fall?
In the day you eat...dying thou shall surely die?
Many errors proceed from a wrong view of the fall.

 

Not at all.
You and JonC have drifted from the whole reason of the cross.
You say you agree but then contradict what you post, up and down the line.
Looks like everyone has posted on this contradiction, sort of like...yes water is wet, I agree with that, but it is a lo so dry.
There have been 5 threads of this.

 

None of those people were sinless.
None of those people kept the law on our behalf.
None of those people were the Divine God/man.
Not one of them was qualified to give their life for the Church