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I tend to agree (mind you - I found this from a friend on FB)
But is this meme for Christians or non-Christians?
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I would say the meme is for attendees of a liberal church. Most probably are not saved.
Does God expect the unsaved to be walking lives not burdened by sin though?
Only God knows what's in a man's heart and unless the man told you what he did... You're there to serve God not to judge others... Judge yourself!... Go to church anyway... We all walk with feet of clay... Haven't you heard there is a warfare going on?... Go to church anyway... What riles me to no end is sanctimonious Christians?... Is church for saints?... And its for sinners too!... Even sinning saints!... How many saints have a gambling addiction?... There are other sin besides those mentioned but do you come to church because you are so good?... Or do you come to church to find out how you can do better and find help to do so?... I come to church with all my warts and imperfection and the preacher who give the sermon says sometimes I'm just like you... The devil doesn't take a vacation just because someone is a Christian... Christ doesn't keep someone from coming to church, we do... And the OP proves it... Brother Glen
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Think that the Lord has MUCH more of a problem with us claiming to be saved having sin issues then not saved having them !Only God knows what's in a man's heart and unless the man told you what he did... You're there to serve God not to judge others... Judge yourself!... Go to church anyway... We all walk with feet of clay... Haven't you heard there is a warfare going on?... Go to church anyway... What riles me to no end is sanctimonious Christians?... Is church for saints?... And its for sinners too!... Even sinning saints!... How many saints have a gambling addiction?... There are other sin besides those mentioned but do you come to church because you are so good?... Or do you come to church to find out how you can do better and find help to do so?... I come to church with all my warts and imperfection and the preacher who give the sermon says sometimes I'm just like you... The devil doesn't take a vacation just because someone is a Christian... Christ doesn't keep someone from coming to church, we do... And the OP proves it... Brother Glen
The real question would be "What is the purpose of the local church?". The local church , as it regards evangelism, is to equip saints to go into the world, make converts and bring them into the church.
How do you reconcile your view to Paul's commands on Church discipline?Only God knows what's in a man's heart and unless the man told you what he did... You're there to serve God not to judge others... Judge yourself!... Go to church anyway... We all walk with feet of clay... Haven't you heard there is a warfare going on?... Go to church anyway... What riles me to no end is sanctimonious Christians?... Is church for saints?... And its for sinners too!... Even sinning saints!... How many saints have a gambling addiction?... There are other sin besides those mentioned but do you come to church because you are so good?... Or do you come to church to find out how you can do better and find help to do so?... I come to church with all my warts and imperfection and the preacher who give the sermon says sometimes I'm just like you... The devil doesn't take a vacation just because someone is a Christian... Christ doesn't keep someone from coming to church, we do... And the OP proves it... Brother Glen
I agree with you on that, but also think we should not be asking people if they are saved before allowed in!
That applies towards those who profess and claimed to be already saved, not to the lost!
Agree. If course that would not be the case for membership.
It kind of goes without saying that Paul would not have allowed the behavior from anyone in his churches.
The problem is those who take the step discipline, don't take the next step restoration... From John Gill... Brother Glen
Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault
Or "be taken before" in one; not, as Grotius thinks, before this epistle should come to them, which is a very jejune and empty sense of the words; nor before the conversion of the man, because sins before conversion do not come under the notice and cognizance of a church, or are liable to its reproofs and censures; but before the man is aware, through negligence and imprudence, for want of caution and circumspection, and so is carried away, either through the treachery of his own heart, and the power of corruption; or through the temptations of Satan, who goes about, and comes on the back of them, lays snares for them, and attacks them unawares, and takes all advantages of them; or by the ill examples of others, whereby they are drawn aside, and into sin. The apostle has no particular respect by a "fault" to schisms in the church, or to any errors or heresies in doctrine, though the restoration of such in meekness should be endeavoured; but rather to immorality in life and conversation, and indeed to any of the works of the flesh mentioned in the preceding chapter; and especially he means any "fall" of professors, as the word used signifies, into sin, through inadvertency and want of care and watchfulness, in distinction from a wilful, obstinate, and continued course of sinning; and intends not any man in the world, for those that are without, churches and members of churches have nothing to do with in a church way; but any man that is a brother, a church member, that stands in such a relation to them, when he falls into sin, is to be taken notice of by them. And so the Syriac version reads, "any one of you"; as does one of Stephens's copies.
Ye that are spiritual;
meaning not such who had greater spiritual gifts than others, their ministers, pastors, and ecclesiastical governors, though these may be so called; and to them it belongs to reprove and rebuke, recover and restore backsliders, which they should do in gentleness and meekness; but the apostle here addresses the brethren in general, the several members of the church, even all but those that were fallen: nor does he mean such as have more spiritual knowledge than others, in opposition to babes; nor regenerate persons, and such as had the Spirit of God, in distinction from carnal men; but such as live and walk in the Spirit, and are strong, and stand by the power and grace of the Spirit of God, as opposed to the weak, and who were fallen through the prevalency of the flesh, and force of temptation; whose duty it is, and on whom it lies, to
restore such an one,
that is overtaken and fallen. The allusion is to the setting of bones that are broken, or out of joint, which is done with great care and tenderness. Professors fallen into sin are like broken and dislocated bones; they are out of their place, and lose both their comfort and usefulness, and are to be restored by gently telling them of their faults, and mildly reproving them for them; and when sensible of them, and troubled for them, by speaking comfortably to them, and by bringing them again, and resettling them in their former place in the church, and restoring them to their former usefulness and good conduct: and which is to be done
in the spirit of meekness:
in the exercise of that grace which is a gift and fruit of the Spirit of God; or with a meek and humble spirit, not bearing hard upon them, and treating them in a supercilious and haughty manner, upbraiding them with their faults, aggravating them, and using them roughly, and with sharpness, which in some cases is necessary, but not in this:
considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted:
a spiritual man should consider himself as in the body, and as carrying about with him a body of sin, a corrupt and treacherous heart, that is full of deceitful lusts, by which he may be tempted also, and drawn away and enticed; and as being liable to the temptations of Satan, and of being overcome by; them, against which he should watch and pray; and should think with himself what he would choose, and should desire to be done to him in such a case, and do the like to others that are in it. This is a reason enforcing the exhortation; and indeed almost every word in the text carries an argument engaging to it. The relation the saints stand in to one another, as "brethren", should excite them to seek each other's welfare, and to restore any that are fallen, and to abstain from all roughness and severity. The persons addressed are "spiritual", and therefore should behave as such as have the fruits of the Spirit, and, among the rest that of meekness; and, since they are strong, should help the weak, and raise up the fallen: the persons recommended to them, as the objects of their pity, care, and concern, are not such who have given up themselves to sin, but are circumvented by it, and "overtaken" in it, suddenly, and at unawares. And besides, are men, frail sinful men, liable to sin, encompassed with infirmities, and exposed to snares and temptations, which are common to human nature, and therefore should be used gently and tenderly: The apostle having given an enumeration in the foregoing chapter, of the works of the flesh, and fruits of the Spirit, directs such as are in the exercise of the latter, how to behave towards those that fall into the commission of any of the former, which may be expected, since there is flesh as well as spirit in the best.
IF they were claiming to be saved, true!
true, but the OP was concerning sinners coming into our churches!
It was concerning sinners living in repetitive, unrepentant sin continually coming to church while living in sin.
Both... How can you have one without the other?... One is the body and each is a part of that body... That make up the whole... And of those who think I'm being callous, what do you do if one part of your natural body is sick?... You go to the doctor to get it taken care of... What do you do if your spiritual body is sick?... Do you throw the baby out with the bathwater?... NO!... You get on your knees and pray and help the brother for deliverance... Welcome them with open arms, because maybe they get needed someone to care... And remember the words of Jesus Christ, you know the story:
John 8:7 He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.
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