37818
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I hadn't. There are over 8 variants. 79.6% have, ". . . of the mystery of God, and of the Father, and of Christ; . . ." That majority of English Bibles omit, "and of Father and."
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SavedByGrace
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14 variant readings! this is a good example for textual studies, and the way readings are chosen
37818
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The two Greek New Testaments I have at hand both only gave 8 of the variant readings each. NA26 and F35 third edition. I have a count of there being 13 variant readings per the F35 apperatus. Your 14 count may very well be correct.
The issue is not what any particular Calvinist says they believe, but what Calvinism actually teaches.
Ask the author of this threads OP where the Calvinist statement of belief came from.
Yet another off topic personal attack, zero content which figures as it reflects several of Calvinism's doctrines.
Reformed1689
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Here is the thing Van, you have clearly demonstrated you DO NOT KNOW what Calvinism teaches. You know caricatures and false assumptions. And you are the one that posted the quote so why not give reference? Like I said, I did a search and it is is NONE of the confessional documents the exact quote you put out. So put up or shut up.
There are what we call "Ten Commandments."
They are imprinted within every human.
However, these commands do not result in folks following them any more then the Israeli of the ancients to the modern day follow them.
It is not God preventing repentance, but human rebellion obliging dismissal and disregard of the work of the Holy Spirit.
What was/is the primary work of the Holy Spirit?
To convict and convince the world was it not?
Of what was this conviction and convincing work in the world? Sin, righteousness, judgement.
(Note: Some consider the Holy Spirit also directs people to Christ. Personally, I don't see that evidenced in Scripture. Rather, the Scriptures are what point to the need for Christ and through the work of the Scriptures, the Holy Spirit awakens (quickens) that which was dead that the gift of faith may be delivered and that new birthed believer proclaim.)
Therefore, knowing the humankind are all chasing after evil, the Father graciously gives to the Son.
No one comes to the Father accept those the Father gives to the Son. That is two Scripture verses placed in the same sentence.
Within that coming is the "Godly sorrow" of the believer which also brings a desire for cleansing and to accept cleansing.
Those not of the believers, who can only sense sin, righteousness and judgement, what value has worldly repentance?
They are imprinted within every human.
However, these commands do not result in folks following them any more then the Israeli of the ancients to the modern day follow them.
It is not God preventing repentance, but human rebellion obliging dismissal and disregard of the work of the Holy Spirit.
What was/is the primary work of the Holy Spirit?
To convict and convince the world was it not?
Of what was this conviction and convincing work in the world? Sin, righteousness, judgement.
(Note: Some consider the Holy Spirit also directs people to Christ. Personally, I don't see that evidenced in Scripture. Rather, the Scriptures are what point to the need for Christ and through the work of the Scriptures, the Holy Spirit awakens (quickens) that which was dead that the gift of faith may be delivered and that new birthed believer proclaim.)
Therefore, knowing the humankind are all chasing after evil, the Father graciously gives to the Son.
No one comes to the Father accept those the Father gives to the Son. That is two Scripture verses placed in the same sentence.
Within that coming is the "Godly sorrow" of the believer which also brings a desire for cleansing and to accept cleansing.
Those not of the believers, who can only sense sin, righteousness and judgement, what value has worldly repentance?
SavedByGrace
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There are those of the "Reformed/Calvinist", who teach that "But by His grace, God grants repentance to His adopted children", (as taught by the Reformed pastor, Burk Parsons). I have asked this a few times already, IF God GRANTS repentance to His children, who are the ELECT, it is very obvious, that He does not do so for any who are the NON-ELECT. This is the same thing as God PREVENTING those who are the NON-ELECT from ever "repenting", because they CANNOT as they are FORCED by God so that they are not ABLE to. This is very simple to understand. Then HOW can "God Command (not optional) that all men everywhere REPENT" (Acts 17:30), when, according to some, He has already predetermined that ALL "CANNNOT" repent? This makes God to be INSINCERE and playing games with people!
Reformed1689
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Here is your primary problem, this statement is not true.
Reformed1689
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You really need to read the Bible. THEIR SIN is what prevents them. They are enslaved to it. God has decided to leave them in their sin. THEY DO NOT WANT to repent, they DO NOT WANT to come to God. It is not God not allowing it, God passes over them. He has decided to not save them which is His right to do. That's not Him playing games. He demands repentance, He demands their allegiance but they DO NOT WANT to give it to Him so they are condemned. There is no insincerity there. There is no game, no trickery, no bait and switch, no gotchya. Before attacking Reformed Theology you need to do two things.
First, and foremost you need to study the Bible. Your study has been superficial and shallow. You have a low view of who God is and what His role is in all of creation.
Second, you need to study Reformed Theology and quit putting forth strawman arguments.
Always the same violation of forum rules, attack the poster and ignore the position, just like the false teacher of 3 John. Did I provide a reference, i.e. the opening post, you bet. Did I also post another quote, in post #9? You bet.
Reformed1689
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SavedByGrace
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Now the denial that attacking the poster is a rule violation.
Of course quotes can be verified. Just google them!
Reformed1689
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It's not my job to find your quotes, it is YOUR job to cite them. In fact, to not do so is ACTUALLY a violation of forum rules.
Here is the rule: I've noticed the growing habit of posting whole articles on various forums.
Please do not post copyrighted or trademarked material without first obtaining the express permission to do so by the copyright or trademark holder.
Post only a summary (or key paragraph) and a link to the article instead. It is acceptable to quote other people's work so long as you credit them by name, include the title of the work, and do not repost the entire article.
Do not post copyrighted material
The Reformed understanding of repentance and faith is that both of these are not something that the sinner contributes to the price of his or her salvation. They are, rather, the supernatural result of God working new affections in their soul. Therefore, repentance is not something that the sinner is adding in addition to faith as a work, but both repentance and faith are seen as the infallible result of the new birth that is applied to sinners by the Holy Spirit.
Reformed1689
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No one said it was your job. You said quotes could not be verified. Many can!!! You were wrong but did not admit your error. On and on folks