Featured I Tim 2:8-14

Let's look at the context of 1 Timothy 2.
Notice God's desire and Paul's desire. Notice that Paul does not state his desire as a command, but he does state that his present action is to not permit a woman to teach or exercise authority over a man. This is Paul's choice. The greek tense allows for this to be read as "I do not, presently, allow women to teach..."
The key is to recognize that Paul is really focused on his desire for both men and women in the church. Paul cares deeply for both. He wants all to come to a deep understanding of God and to be theologically sound. Paul is not a mysogynist, but unfortunately mysogynists certainly take this passage as license to mistreat women.

1 Timothy 2:3-4,8-15
This is good, and it is pleasing in the sight of God our Savior, who desires all people to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.

I desire then that in every place the men should pray, lifting holy hands without anger or quarreling; likewise also that women should adorn themselves in respectable apparel, with modesty and self-control, not with braided hair and gold or pearls or costly attire, but with what is proper for women who profess godliness—with good works. Let a woman learn quietly with all submissiveness. I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man; rather, she is to remain quiet. For Adam was formed first, then Eve; and Adam was not deceived, but the woman was deceived and became a transgressor. Yet she will be saved through childbearing—if they continue in faith and love and holiness, with self-control.

 

It was the inspired word from the Holy Spirit to us for all time and settings

 

No one disagrees with God inspiring this text. Read the text. Look at what Paul actually says, not what he doesn't say. The word "desire" is important in this text. He is not making a universal command to all churches throughout all time. If he is, then you have to take Paul's comments about God desiring all men to be saved to actually be universal salvation to all human beings. Consistency, here, is important.

 

I am not arguing against the order of creation. Eve was deceived. Adam completely failed in his protection of Eve, which is why the curse fell on Adam.

 

Your opinion… you do know what they are like right?

 

Are we now going to point the finger of blame in order to define status? How asinine is that!?!

 

Lol…now you’re playing the queer card!?! Get it straight, we are discussing relationships between husbands and wives… the male and female kind.

I just calls them as I sees them… and I know of three men who tried pressing there wives into service using the scripture… they are all dIvorced now. The divorce courts don’t hold to women being subservient to their husbands… the wives were all handsomely rewarded. Maybe you could speak to my brother about all the financial repercussions. He was a pastor so he might be able to square it aware for you.

 

Status?
The status of all humanity is...corrupt sinner damned to hell, but by the grace of God.
I am not talking about status. I am talking about role. What role did Adam have? He was the head gardener, tasked with managing all aspects of the garden. Eve was his help mate who assisted him in the garden maintenance. When a predator came into the garden to deceive, Adam did not fulfill his role of management and predator control. He didn't crush the serpents head. Eve did her job, but was deceived by the serpent. Adam wasn't deceived, he just joined in with her. Adam takes the brunt of the curse as the head gardener.

Hopefully you see that I am not talking about status.

 

I never said I disagree with scripture… you drew that conclusion. And I don’t have to deal with any position my wife takes. I’ve told her that her argument is with Paul, not me. However we have had a pretty good life for 35 years so I not going to have to press it. At least we live in harmony vs my brothers family mess. But I’m sure that he would have done things differently. He would have … ah that’s his problem not mine.

 

Women are not to be either pastors nor elders in a local church, correct?

 

They don’t have to go to it either. Right.

 

Are you agreeing with God on this then?

 

Still we are in fact assigning status to each of the rolls… ie where does the woman stand with regard to the man…. Even today, man has supremacy above woman. Even though both failed in their rolls played.

 

Why is that such a big deal to you? Did Jesus make a big deal about it… or did I miss that. Did he throw the first stone or any stone for that matter at the female adulteress, did he accuse her of anything, did he judge her? Or did he forgive her and defend her? Jesus seemed much more upset with the money changers in the temple, overthrowing their tables and goods for sale… in the temple!

 

I always agree with God, don’t you?