Featured Does God Desire for all to be Saved?

I read the article, its unsound, God doesnt desire the salvation of the non elect. In fact He created them as vessels of wrath and fits them for destruction Rom 9

 

Did God desire the Salvation of Paul? Yes.

 

Sure if he or she is one of Gods elect and God timed their conversion at that time. The bible tells about a thief that God was pleased to convert right when the thief was being executed. The thief was an elect of God.

 

So by your logic God is the one that condemns all those in hell. It is not their sin that puts them in hell it is Gods' choice to do so, just because He can.

 

Would God desire it, YES. Would He force it upon him, NO. There is no other way to read these verses than that God really desires all to come to repentance.
1Ti 2:3 This is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior,
1Ti 2:4 who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.

Who did Christ Jesus come to save? The "elect", NO. He came to save sinners, the lost, those without hope.
1Ti 1:15 This is a faithful saying and worthy of all acceptance, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners,
And since we are all sinners
Rom 3:23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,
We can circle back to the idea that God desires all to be saved.

As a minister from my youth used to say "As Christians we look to God and say, Thy will be done. and God looks at His creation and says to us, Thy will be done"

 

How on earth did you get that from what the other poster said? Talk about a strawman argument.

 

I don't often agree with that person but given the statement he was responding to he made the reasonable response given the logical outcome of the original posters logic.

 

If the Op corrected their understand of who is elect then it works out the issue for him

 

"Sure if he or she is one of Gods elect and God timed their conversion at that time." Well as you know Brightfame52 believes that only the calvinist elect will be saved so by simple logic if they are the only ones that God has picked out then all the others are not picked out so He has condemned them just because He did not pick then out. You calvinist love to trumpet the "elect" but at the same time deny the other side of that theory.

So what I said is not a strawman, just the reality of your errant theology.

 

Except that is not what we believe. It is not just because God decided to do so. The non-elect go to hell because of their sin. Full stop. Did God choose to pass over them? Yes. But that doesn't mean they are not responsible.

No, he condemns them because of their sin. Not "just because he did not pick them out."

 

Do people go to hell because of their sin, YES. That is Free Will view in a few words. The calvinist view is determinism. So if one is not part of your so called elect then they have no chance of salvation. That you should not deny, but I am sure you will. So all those that are condemned are condemned before they have even sinned or been born yet, remember your version of god made that decision before time.

Just because you say you do not believe that does not alter the fact that it is what your theology requires.

Only those that are included in the Unconditional Election will partake of the Limited Atonement and will be drawn to God by His Irresistible Grace. So all men do not have an equal chance to know or trust in God. Your own theology precludes this, but you just do not want to acknowledge that fact.

 

Did you understand the post you quoted of mine ?

 

Thats what you said, thats your logic, please dont project your logic on me or anyone else. Everyone doesnt think like you

 

I’d like to download and read the book to see his answers, but he does a really good job of posing the questions of all concerned.

peace to you

 

The link is just a teaser for Piper's free booklet where he goes deeper into the subject. In order to read the material you have to download the document.
I have uploaded the document for any who wish to read what Piper says about the dual wills of God. (I am only 20 pages in so I won't comment on what I have not fully read.)

 

Sure did. Do you understand how your theology makes my answer true? Doubt that you do.

 

Evidently you didnt understand it.