Justification

Think Gill knew Far better what Pauline Justifications means then van does though!

 

Now you claim not to know a person has to be spiritually placed into Christ to undergo the washing of regeneration, thus made alive together with Christ.

 

We are regenerated by the Holy Spirit in order to then be able to receive Jesus as Lord thru faith!

 

Folks, note how false teachers make claims but never explain how specific verses support their bogus claims.

Scripture says we are "chosen" through faith in the truth. Thus God could not choose to regenerate someone and give them faith. 2 Thessalonians 2:13.

Scripture says we are regenerated (made alive) together with Christ, thus after God places an individual into Christ. Ephesians 2:5

Pay no attention to the false teachers who claim we are "quickened" or regenerated before we are placed into Christ.

 

Was Gill a Covenant Believer like the Presbyterians?

 

Recovering the Primitive Baptist doctrine of ‘Justification From Eternity’ in a non-particularistic framework

Justification as an Eternal and Immanent Act of God
From A Body of Doctrinal Divinity
Book II, Chapter V, section II.
by John Gill

John Gill and Justification from Eternity
by Charles Spurgeon

 

I wonder how you can continue to post this non-stop vitriol.

You suck Van. @KenH is a nice guy and you're hounding and harassing him with this silly show you put on. Go away.

 

I read 2 Thessalonians 2 and I do not see it saying what you are saying. It seems you make things up.

2 Thessalonians 2:11-14
Therefore God sends them a strong delusion, so that they may believe what is false, in order that all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness. But we ought always to give thanks to God for you, brothers beloved by the Lord, because God chose you as the first fruits to be saved, through sanctification by the Spirit and belief in the truth. To this he called you through our gospel, so that you may obtain the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.

See the order:
1) God chose
2) The Holy Spirit set apart (sanctified)
3) We believe (exhibit faith)

Van, you keep attempting to change the order and place your own faith first, before God acts. Your prooftext even denies your assertion, Van. Just read the text and see that your text does not support your assertion.

 

Off topic attack of Van on display. And no action will be taken.
Did anyone say a poster was or was not a "nice person?" Nope
Is this poster posting non-stop copy and paste Calvinist screed? Yes

 

Here we have yet another denial of scripture slathered in false charges. Typical Calvinist ploy.

Chosen through...belief in the truth is what the verse actually says, thus a conditional election. That is why the Calvinist leaning translations (NLT, NIV, ESV) all change the noun "salvation" into the verb "saved" to disconnect chosen through belief.

 

I knew you would reject the English translation because you demand salvation by works (your own self-generated faith) which causes God to save. Just like sbw, you twist God's word to mean the exact opposite of what God says. Your false teaching is well know by the brothers, Van.

 

Note Calvinists always attack persons, and almost never explain scripture. Chosen through belief demonstrates a conditional election for salvation, thus the "U" of the Tulip is false, the self-generated false doctrine of Calvinism. (See 2 Thessalonians 2:13-14)

Do I twist God's word? Nope. Does Calvinism twist God's word? Yep.

Is 2 Thessalonians 2:13 the only verse that demonstrates God chooses those "rich in faith, those that love God? Nope, see James 2:5.

 

I have answered this diversionary question dozens of times. Note the effort to change the subject and the fact scripture says our election for salvation was conditioned upon "belief in the truth."

I believe scripture means what it says. Does that mean I a smarter? More brilliant? Luckier?. What?

Scripture say our election was conditional, and that we will receive a reward for effective ministry. Calvinism or at least this Calvinist says scripture does not mean what it says.

Never-mind the reason why God credits of the faith of some as righteousness, but not others. Does that make them smarter, or more trusting; an intellectual powerhouse or filled with humility; luckier or unworthy of God's gracious gift of salvation?

 

JesusFan does not know what Pauline Justification means. He denies God credits our faith as righteousness for our justification, see Romans 4:23-25.

 

Yes, reformed baptist, believers baptism!

 

was a reformed baptist, some saw him as being a Hyper Calvinist