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Justification

Discussion in 'Other Discussions' started by KenH, May 17, 2022.

  1. JesusFan

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    Paul does not hold to your view regarding pauline justification!
     
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    Now you can read the mind of Paul! Amazing disclosure of ignorance.

    Folks Paul wrote the inspired text of Romans 4:23-25. We must believe (as determined by God alone) that God raised Jesus from the dead to receive justification. All True Calvinists deny Pauline Justification.
     
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    Were we justified by His resurrection, or by His death upon his cross, as the curtain being torn would indicate by his death!
     
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    Van Well-Known Member
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    Endless fiction. What does scripture say?


    Titus 3:5-7
    He saved us, not on the basis of deeds which we did in righteousness, but in accordance with His mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewing by the Holy Spirit, whom He richly poured out upon us through Jesus Christ our Savior, so that being justified by His grace we would be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.​

    So Pauline justification is that we are justified by His grace, and that grace is accomplished by means of the washing of regeneration (being made alive together with Christ) and the renewing by the Holy Spirit. And on what basis do we receive God's gracious justification. Romans 5:1, Galatians 2:16, 3:11 and 3:24 say "by faith" using the preposition "ek" meaning "on the basis of."
     
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    Van I like your choice of verses as they show your theory of faith causing God to save is false.

    Titus 3:5-7
    He saved us, not on the basis of deeds which we did in righteousness, but in accordance with His mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewing by the Holy Spirit, whom He richly poured out upon us through Jesus Christ our Savior, so that being justified by His grace we would be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.

    We are declared righteous because God, in mercy, makes us righteous and gives us faith.

    It's all God.
     
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    Do you never tire of concocting false charges? Did I say our faith causes God to save? Nope, I said the opposite.

    Next you say we are declared righteous, but no verse is cited. We are made righteous, Romans 5:19.
     
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    The point is...Titus 3:5-7 shows you are wrong.
     
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    Yet another "taint so" post, similiar to the entire bible shows Calvinism to be false doctrine. Any empty suit can post these sort of posts.
    Titus 3:5-7
    He saved us, not on the basis of deeds which we did in righteousness, but in accordance with His mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewing by the Holy Spirit, whom He richly poured out upon us through Jesus Christ our Savior, so that being justified by His grace we would be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.​

    This passage, as well as others, teaches our justification is by His grace. And this passage also tells us the means God uses to justify His chosen one. By the washing of regeneration, which occurs when we are made alive together with Christ, and by the renewing accomplished by the Holy Spirit.

    Thus this passage emphatically teaches my view of Pauline Justification is the biblical view, and Calvinism's disinformation view is bogus.
     
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