Christ Died for Our Sins

And so John 1:13 teaches as well. It is God who does the saving, not our believing.

Question: why is God giving authority to the one receiving before God makes one His child? John 1:12-13.

 

so is new birth the result of grace or is faith the effect of new birth.

The statement contradicts itself

 

Again this makes sense. Recieved is past tense also. which means believe was in past tense. to say this proves new birth came first is nonsensical.

If this is true. NNE WOULD BE SAVED

because everyone is born a reprobate

Your right a spiritually person can do nothing to save himself. That's why they must become bankrupt and call out to the one who can save them (like the tax collector)

 

amen,

Born again, or born over or reborn..

 

Jesus called it born of the spirit in the same passage

8 The wind blows where it wishes, and you hear the sound of it, but cannot tell where it comes from and where it goes. So is everyone who is born of the Spirit.”

 

Wrap your head around this:
Belief precedes the salvation from monergism for the believer to have the right to receive the salvation which is wholly do to monergism. It is not merited in any way. John 1:11-13.

 

I am going to say that, "15 Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a little child, he shall not enter therein", is concerning Saved souls, being Humble as a child, to be used and effective in The Kingdom of God (and nothing to do with Salvation).

The requirement to be Born Again is to be lost, without hope or strength, and ungodly, before a Sinless Almighty, Holy God. A quilty sinner in need of a Savior. Jesus is The Savior.

 

We disagree.

 

1. For by Grace (gods gift) we have been saved THROUGH faith.

You can't remove Faith from the equation. It does not say it is by grace we have been saved period.

2. He gives them the power THROUGH receiving him in faith

2 But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name

 

sorry my friend

All mankind is born in sin. hence all are born dead to God

He chose to saved certain people. those are the elect. Jesus tells us who those people are. WHoever sees and believes. Abraham was made righteous because he saw God and believed (gen 12)

as for romans 9. Go back to the OT passage. Yu will see God said if the lump (israel) became damaged or destroyed, and he wanted to tear it down and rebuild that lump (Israel) again, who was anyone to argue

The context is isreal. Not you and I.

 

Nope

New birth is the result of

1. Receiving him (john 1)

which is the result of

2. Faith (john 3)

 

You know how ridiculous it is to try and force this passage to mean 'of our own will we received Him, but not of our own will'?

12 But as many as received him, to them gave he the right to become children of God, even to them that believe on his name:
13 who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. Jn 1

Verse 13 is describing the PRE-EXISTING condition of those doing the receiving in verse 12, in the same vein as Acts of the Apostles 13:48, where the PRE-EXISTING condition is 'ordained to eternal life'.

48 And as the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of God: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed. Acts 13

 

do we?

I do consider calvinists my brothers and sisters.. We just do not agree with how God operates

 

talk about twisting a passage to make it say something it does not.

vs 12 does not say anyone willed himself to salvation. It says THEY RECIEVED HIM.

Faith and receiving God is not willing yourself to be saved. It is being like the tax collector. and calling out for Gods mercy. that is what receiving Christ looks like..

 

Lol, yea, but YOU are the 'twister' here. I'm the untwister after you've twisted it.

 

lol

Yeah, I guess it was not the fact they recieved him that God gave them the power.

It was that god forced it down their throat?.

Sorry my freind, I take God at his word

But as many as recieved him (the who) He gave the right (the what) to become children of God (the result)

 

Me, the Monergist, untwisting scripture after the Synergist twists it:

They received Him because they were 'born of God'. They were not 'born of God' because they received Him.