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Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by Salty, Jun 27, 2022.

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  1. Silverhair

    Silverhair Well-Known Member

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    Once again context would help you clear up your misunderstanding.
    1Co 2:6 Yet we do speak wisdom among those who are mature; a wisdom, however, not of this age nor of the rulers of this age, who are passing away;
    1Co 2:7 but we speak God's wisdom in a mystery, the hidden wisdom which God predestined before the ages to our glory;
    1Co 2:8 the wisdom which none of the rulers of this age has understood; for if they had understood it they would not have crucified the Lord of glory;
    1Co 2:9 but just as it is written, "THINGS WHICH EYE HAS NOT SEEN AND EAR HAS NOT HEARD, AND which HAVE NOT ENTERED THE HEART OF MAN, ALL THAT GOD HAS PREPARED FOR THOSE WHO LOVE HIM."
    1Co 2:10 For to us God revealed them through the Spirit; for the Spirit searches all things, even the depths of God.
    1Co 2:11 For who among men knows the thoughts of a man except the spirit of the man which is in him? Even so the thoughts of God no one knows except the Spirit of God.
    1Co 2:12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, so that we may know the things freely given to us by God,
    1Co 2:13 which things we also speak, not in words taught by human wisdom, but in those taught by the Spirit, combining spiritual thoughts with spiritual words.
    1Co 2:14 But a natural man does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually appraised.
    1Co 2:15 But he who is spiritual appraises all things, yet he himself is appraised by no one.
    1Co 2:16 For WHO HAS KNOWN THE MIND OF THE LORD, THAT HE WILL INSTRUCT HIM? But we have the mind of Christ.

    Paul is just saying that those that have the mind of Christ, those that are saved, understand the deeper things of God whereas those that are not saved think them foolish. It is not about salvation but what happens after we are saved.
     
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    Austin you still just prattle on and do not deal with scripture.
     
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    Silverhair, you still just prattle on and do not deal with scripture.
     
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    Tell me how you miss particular redemption in this passage, Silverhair. The whole passage is about God's Sovereign blessing to his particular people. How is it that you don't see it, even when you put some of it in bold letter? You astound me in that capacity, Silverhair. It seems like God is hitting you over the head with His Sovereign Supremacy and it just goes right past you without ever knowing it. Amazing. Truly amazing.
     
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    silverhair

    Sorry to bust your bubble sir, but no man naturally doesnt seek after God Rom 3:11

    11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.

    In fact there is none that understandeth, by nature.

    Now once and if a person is born again, then they may seek God, the true God because they have a new nature.
     
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    Oh yeah, when one is drawn by the Spirit of God they have been given Spiritual Life, and with that comes Spiritual ears and hearing, except for that drawing/new birth, man cannot believe in Christ, not the True Christ that is. We can believe in a counterfeit christ, but thats it. Without spiritual ears we cannot hear spiritually..
     
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    Nothing changes, You cant hear spiritually and believe unless you are drawn by God./Born again. Look at 1 Cor 2:14 you quoted without understanding it, it tells you the natural man cannot understand the things of the Spirit of God.
     
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    Because it is not there. How do you miss everything in the text? You amaze me with your complete lack of understanding. You search and search for something to support your view but it is not in the text. Your particular redemption has to be read into the text.
     
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    Context context context. How many times do you have to be told that before it sinks in.
     
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    That is just your errant theology talking. You can follow that I will follow the bible.
     
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    Your becoming a one verse wonder. I have to wonder why you only look at one verse rather than the context.
     
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    Your becoming a one verse wonder. I have to wonder why you only look at one verse rather than the context.
     
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    That is just your errant theology talking. You can follow that I will follow the bible.
     
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    Context context context. How many times do you have to be told that before it sinks in.
     
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    *1 Corinthians 2:6-16*

    Yet among the mature we do impart wisdom, although it is not a wisdom of this age or of the rulers of this age, who are doomed to pass away. But we impart a secret and hidden wisdom of God, which God decreed before the ages for our glory. None of the rulers of this age understood this, for if they had, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory. But, as it is written, “What no eye has seen, nor ear heard, nor the heart of man imagined, what God has prepared for those who love him”— these things God has revealed to us through the Spirit. For the Spirit searches everything, even the depths of God. For who knows a person’s thoughts except the spirit of that person, which is in him? So also no one comprehends the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God. Now we have received not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, that we might understand the things freely given us by God. And we impart this in words not taught by human wisdom but taught by the Spirit, interpreting spiritual truths to those who are spiritual. The natural person does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to him, and he is not able to understand them because they are spiritually discerned. The spiritual person judges all things, but is himself to be judged by no one. “For who has understood the mind of the Lord so as to instruct him?” But we have the mind of Christ.

    Do you miss the separation that God clearly shows you in this passage, separating the we from the them? Do you miss that without the Spirit the unbeliever cannot understand? Do you miss what God does in this passage? He separates and he is particular in his work. It's here.
     
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    Here is "The Definition of Calvinism", in 17 points,
    by T.P. Simmons, with lots of good scriptures: :

    Chapter 13 The Creation of Man


    Chapter 14 The Essential Elements of Human Nature

    Chapter 15 The Moral Nature of Man

    Chapter 16 The Original State and Fall of Man

    Chapter 17 The Doctrine of Sin

    Chapter 18 Human Responsibility

    Chapter 19 The Free Agency of Man

    Chapter 20 The Doctrine of Election

    Chapter 21 The Doctrine of The Atonement

    Chapter 22 The Outward and Inward Calls

    Chapter 23 The New Birth

    Chapter 24 The Doctrine of Conversion

    Chapter 25 Repentance and Faith

    Chapter 26 The Doctrine of Justification

    Chapter 27 The Doctrine of Sanctification

    Chapter 28 The Three Tenses of Salvation

    Chapter 29 The Perseverance and Preservation of the Saved



    The Five Points of Dordrecht:
    1. Total Inability. All mankind, Christ only excepted, is conceived in iniquity and therefore has no inherent ability to believe the gospel or obey any law given by God with pure intent of being. In addition, mankind is wholly inclined to all evil by nature unless and until God works a miracle of regeneration completely apart from the will of man.

    2. Unconditional Election. In eternity transcendent of all time and space, God elects a specific people from humankind to eternal life in Christ apart from any free choice or exercise of the will of man. God in His sovereign grace will certainly bring final salvation to pass for this elect people apart from any conditional actions fulfilled by them to obtain or keep it.

    3. Limited Atonement. Eternal salvation was completely achieved for a specific mass of God’s eternally elect people in Christ’s finished atonement. These are invariably rescued from the damnation common to wicked and unrepentant humanity. Their salvation was from their sin (Mat. 1:21). No others except those for whom salvation was achieved in Christ’s person and work will ever experience redemption from sin and eternal death. This truth is best defined as Particular Redemption since the Atonement of Christ should not be thought of as limited with respect to the scope of its saving work and purpose.

    4. Irresistible Grace. No person elected in Christ by the Father’s eternal purpose has the ability to reject grace and salvation when granted faith in Holy Spirit regeneration or afterward. The Grace of God in Christ is irresistible to all His purposed elect people.

    5. Preservation of the Saints. Once God has imparted the gift of faith unto salvation to any human person, God will certainly preserve that elect person in a state of Grace, faith, and resultant obedience to Christ for all eternity. No elect person in God’s plan of salvation can ever fall totally or finally from a state of grace, regeneration, and perpetual belief in the person and finished work of Christ.
     
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    Austin your not even original.
     
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    Can't miss what is not there.
     
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    There you go following man again. You should try following scripture.
     
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    Context is the enemy of those who deny the doctrine of grace that is clearly taught in Scripture. The only way to not believe it is to ignore the context.
     
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