Featured Definition of Calvinism???

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John 6:63-66 [NASB20]

63 "It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh provides no benefit; the words that I have spoken to you are spirit, and are life. 64 "But there are some of you who do not believe." For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were who did not believe, and who it was who would betray Him. 65 And He was saying, "For this reason I have told you that no one can come to Me unless it has been granted him from the Father." 66 As a result of this many of His disciples left, and would no longer walk with Him.​

Apparently, he was talking to the ones to whom the Spirit gives life (God's choice, not man's choice) ABOUT those who walked away and those who did not.

 

Nowhere does Scripture disallow the redemption for the sins of whole world. It is just not universalism.

 

Judas was included or Jesus lied to him. Luke 22:20.

 

Calvinists claim election unconditional. Yet John 6:44 is a condition. And Matthew 7:21 gives a condition, unspecified as to what it is, but it must be done. And Hebrews 5:9 also gives a condition, but does not specify how or in what way. Jesus taught more are called than will be elect, Matthew 22:2-14.

 

Again judas has nothing to do with limited atonement. Jesus never told judas specifically that He died for him, so you need to be careful..

 

The verse says nothing specific about Christ dying for judas.

 

These are conditions that you create. These are truths expressed by God. In His Sovereign will, God never tells us that he has chosen based upon any condition. God has only told us that his choice is by grace alone. Therefore, you are placing a condition upon God where God has never revealed such a condition.
What I see you doing is claiming God is unfair when He makes the decision and doesn't give you such authority.

 

I am just pointing the failed logic of your theology. If you can not see what where your theology leads then you are just not looking or you are willfully blind.

 

I trust what the bible says, you should try that for a change.

 

You need to take it up with God and Paul Rom 3:11 says man by nature doesnt even seek God. Its talking about the True God.

 

Did you happen to know that Rom 3:11 is the bible ?

 

Well what does the bible say on that
Rom_6:10 For the death that He died, He died to sin once for all; but the life that He lives, He lives to God.
Rom 6:11 Even so consider yourselves to be dead to sin, but alive to God in Christ Jesus.

1Pe_3:18 For Christ also died for sins once for all, the just for the unjust, so that He might bring us to God, having been put to death in the flesh, but made alive in the spirit;

You put a great deal of stock it the atonement but the atonement saved no one, Christ just covered the sins of mankind.
1Co_15:13 But if there is no resurrection of the dead, not even Christ has been raised;
1Co_15:14 and if Christ has not been raised, then our preaching is vain, your faith also is vain.
1Co_15:15 Moreover we are even found to be false witnesses of God, because we testified against God that He raised Christ, whom He did not raise, if in fact the dead are not raised.
1Co_15:16 For if the dead are not raised, not even Christ has been raised;
1Co_15:17 and if Christ has not been raised, your faith is worthless; you are still in your sins.

We have to trust in the risen Christ, you know hear the gospel believe the gospel God saves us.

Rom 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek.
Eph 1:13 In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation—having also believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise,

Amazing what you find in the bible if you will just read it without reading into it what you want/need to find.

 

You need to learn to read the bible in context. As long as you do your one verse theology you will be lost. Context does not support your view but you would not know that as you, it seems, do not understand context.

 

Did you happen to know there are more than just your Calvinist proof text verses in the bible?

 

Did you happen to know there are no free will verses to prooftext...even though you desperately try?

 

You need to learn to read the bible in context. As long as you do your one verse theology you will be lost. Context does not support your view but you would not know that as you, it seems, do not understand context.

 

Lets see now the Spirit gives life to those that believe, like those we read about in
Eph 1:13 In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation—having also believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise,.
Man can not save himself but God can and does save those that believe,
Eph 2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God;
And we know what the gift of God is, salvation
Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Just as your abbreviated quote tells us when you look at the context Joh 6:22-71. Those that listened to Christ re His being the Bread of Life found this a hard teaching and they withdrew.Joh 6:66 But those that heard and believed stayed Joh 6:67-69. Christ even tells us that He knew that Judas would betray Him.

Only God can grant access to eternal life and He does that for those that trust in the Son.

 

Jesus never told you specifically that He died for you, so you need to be careful.

 

Austin you keep showing that you can not have an original thought.

 

That word "you" in Jesus statement in Luke 22:20 included Judas at that table.