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Featured Definition of Calvinism???

Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by Salty, Jun 27, 2022.

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  1. AustinC

    AustinC Well-Known Member

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    You are reading universalism into the phrase when context shows you that it is particular to those whom Jesus has chosen.

    How do I arrive at that position? The context of the next verse tells me that Judas is not redeemed.

    Moreso, if I held your position, I would be obliged to declare the Roman Catholic to be correct in requiring communion as a means of salvation which we would need to receive each time after a sin so as to not lose our salvation as Judas did.

    Therefore, your assertion cannot be correct.

    *Luke 22:14-23*

    And when the hour came, he reclined at table, and the apostles with him. And he said to them, “I have earnestly desired to eat this Passover with you before I suffer. For I tell you I will not eat ituntil it is fulfilled in the kingdom of God.” And he took a cup, and when he had given thanks he said, “Take this, and divide it among yourselves. For I tell you that from now on I will not drink of the fruit of the vine until the kingdom of God comes.” And he took bread, and when he had given thanks, he broke it and gave it to them, saying, “This is my body, which is given for you. Do this in remembrance of me.” And likewise the cup after they had eaten, saying, “This cup that is poured out for you is the new covenant in my blood. But behold, the hand of him who betrays me is with me on the table. For the Son of Man goes as it has been determined, but woe to that man by whom he is betrayed!” And they began to question one another, which of them it could be who was going to do this.
     
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    For the sake of argument, five point Calvinism is the correct understanding and therefore true. What that means is everyone of us who genuinely trust in the Lord Jesus Christ as our Savior. We do so solely because God unconditionally elected us, regenerated us so we could believe.

    Not accepting that as true does not make it not true.
     
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    Brightfame52 Well-Known Member

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    I just told you what the bible teaches, limited, particular atonement.
     
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    No. Because I know you are wrong. You are irratuonal. The "you" included lost Judas.
     
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    Brightfame52 Well-Known Member

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    I found Rom 3:11 within the context it was written.

    11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.

    Also none by nature understandeth !
     
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    So who did the "you" in Luke 22:20 include?
     
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    Brightfame52 Well-Known Member

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    You say you believe the bible. Guess what ? Rom 3:11 is the bible

    11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.

    How many is NONE ?
     
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    Has nothing to do with limited atonement, Christ didnt die for everyone.
     
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    Those He specifically died for.
     
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    Strange, I do not have to "proof text" for free will. The bible is clear that man has to trust in the Son in order to be saved and since God does not trust/believe for us that really does not leave a lot of options does it.

    You can keep desperately searching for your proof texts, I will just trust the bible for what it clearly shows.
     
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    You need to get a better bible as the one you have is faulty. But that would help explain your errant views.
     
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    So in John 6:44 God drawing one to Christ is not a condition? Doing God's will in Matthew 7:21 is not a requied condition? Obeying Christ is not required conditon in Hebrews 5:9.
     
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    And who would those be?
     
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    The best you can do is make a false accuation. Universalism is not Biblical, Revelation 20:15, Revelation 21:7-8.

    Answer this, why should anyone believe the gospel?
    I know what I think. What is your answer?
     
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    So what reason should anyone want to be a Christian?
    I know what I think. Do you have an answer?
     
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    Clearly you don't understand the doctrine of unconditional election. It means it is not conditioned on anything WE do.
     
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    You are being presumptuous to say the you included judas, when scripture doesnt specifically say that.
     
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    Again, limited atonement is the only thing the bible teaches.
     
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    The Elect who else !
     
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    Nobody desires God naturally. Rom 3:11

    11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.
     
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