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Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by Salty, Jun 27, 2022.

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    Brightfame52 Well-Known Member

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    Theres nothing that specifically says that, so you out of luck in that regard. Nevertheless its true.
     
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    Thats no evasion, I said the Elect, who else ?
     
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    Why thank you.
     
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    Wow, you just can't help yourself can you? You just have to deny scripture so you can hold to your false ideas of salvation.
     
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    Thats a lame excuse to avoid truth. Man naturally does not understand God, nor seek God, no desire for God, the True God that is Rom 3:11

    11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.
     
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    Man naturally doesnt want to be a Christian, he doesnt seek God. Only God makes people a Christian.
     
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    He meant it for whoever He shed His Blood for. But He never specifically said He shed His Blood for Judas, you are imposing that into scripture because you deny the truth of limited atonement.
     
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    What does the word "condition" mean? Unconditional means no conditions. When it comes to election that is totally unBiblical. In Matthew 22:2-14, the absence of said garment made the guest not elect. In 1 Peter 1:2 the word translated "according" explicitly indicates a condition.
     
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    Never universalism in the word of God.
     
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    Luke 22:20-21, the plural you included everyone at the table He was speaking to. It is a didactic truth.
     
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    So do you believe there is really no point in preaching the gospel? Luke 8:13, ". . . they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no root, which for a while believe, and in time of temptation fall away. . . ."
     
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    But you know good and well that is not what Unconditional Election means.
     
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    No doubt there were some elect at the table when He spake the words. That doesnt say He died for every individual in the world. It doesnt mean he died for judas individually.
     
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    You are imposing you presumption. The evidence of the text stands. ,Luke 22:19-21.
     
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    Huh ? Yeah there is plenty reason to preach the Gospel, what does that have to do with the natural man not seeking after God ? In fact telling people the truth about the natural man and his terrible condition, is part of the Gospel, it sets the stage for Gods Grace to be preached, His Electing Grace.
     
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    My objection to unconditional election stands.
     
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    Theres no evidence there that Christ died for all mankind, or even judas.
     
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    Thats because you dont understand Grace. You believe in work salvation, conditioned on what a person does.
     
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    Total depravity.

    So what reason or reasons would you offer to someone who may not yet understand the gospel to want to believe Christ paid for one's sins? Oh, wait, how are they to know Christ paid for their sins if He didn't?
     
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    So you just accused me of being damned.
     
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