"Believing is the consequence of the new birth"

[37818]

Yes, it is. It is also correct.

Based on what? On an unfounded presupposition?

 

[KenH]

Based on what? On an unfounded presupposition?

Based on the Bible taken as a whole.

 

[37818]

Based on the Bible taken as a whole.

Plus your unspecified presuppositions.
There is absolutely no Holy Scripture whatsoever that teaches the new birth precedes belief in the gospel.

 

[KenH]

There is absolutely no Holy Scripture whatsoever that teaches the new birth precedes belief in the gospel.

The new birth includes hearing and believing the gospel of Christ and having repentance toward God and faith toward the Lord Jesus Christ. (Acts of the Apostles 20:21)

 

[KenH]

Plus your unspecified presuppositions.

No, just taking the Bible as a whole.

 

[37818]

No, just taking the Bible as a whole.

I am persuaded your assertion is absolutely false. John 1:11-12 is a case in point.

 

[KenH]

I am persuaded your assertion is absolutely false. John 1:11-12 is a case in point.

I am persuaded my assertion is absolutely true.

 

[KenH]

John 1:11-12 is a case in point.

John 1:13 which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. (emphasis mine)

"which were born" Is past tense, indicating something that precedes what takes place in verse 12.

 

[37818]

John 1:13 which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. (emphasis mine)

"which were born" Is past tense, indicating something that precedes what takes place in verse 12.

This follows belief, in John 1:12 were God gave them authority to become children of God. Context John 1:11-12. If they were already children of God it makes no sense to give authority to become what you suppose they already are. You skipped addressing John 1:11-12.

 

[KenH]

This follows belief, in John 1:12 were God gave them authority to become children of God. Context John 1:11-12. If they were already children of God it makes no sense to give authority to become what you suppose they already are. You skipped addressing John 1:11-12.

When one of God's elect, chosen before the world began, is born again by the work of the Holy Spirit through the hearing of the gospel of Christ, that elect one is granted repentance toward God and faith toward the Lord Jesus Christ. (Acts of the Apostles 20:21)

The Bible gives no place to anything in the elect or done by the elect in order to be born again. It is entirely the work of God by His sovereign grace as the Creator of all. He is not dependent on the elect for anything in the accomplishment of His purposes in them.

 

[37818]

When one of God's elect, chosen before the world began, . . .

The word of God nowhere teaches that regarding His election. Matthew 22:14. Context Matthew 22:2-14.

 

[Silverhair]

Yes, it is. It is also correct.

You can keep saying that but it does not make it so. It is only your Calvinist {I call you a Calvinist because you hold to their theology so do not have another way to refer to your view }theology that requires that view. Scripture shows that you are wrong in your take on "whole world" the scholars that I posted disagree with you but that does not seem to matter. You will hold to your view because it would disrupt your theology if you admitted that you were in error.

 

[KenH]

The word of God nowhere teaches that regarding His election. Matthew 22:14. Context Matthew 22:2-14.

Yes, it does.

 

[KenH]

{I call you a Calvinist because you hold to their theology so do not have another way to refer to your view }

You can call me a sovereign grace Baptist.

 

[KenH]

You can keep saying that but it does not make it so.

I keep saying it and it is correct.

 

[KenH]

Scripture shows that you are wrong in your take on "whole world"

God's Word shows that I am correct in my understanding of the matter.

 

[KenH]

It is only your Calvinist theology that requires that view.

I hold to that view because God's Word teaches it.

 

[KenH]

the scholars that I posted disagree with you

I couldn't care less what some "scholars" post since I go by God's Word, not scholars. Scholars are worthwhile only if they adhere to God's Word.

 

[KenH]

You will hold to your view because it would disrupt your theology if you admitted that you were in error.

I will hold to my view since it is what God's Word teaches.

 

[AustinC]

The word of God nowhere teaches that regarding His election. Matthew 22:14. Context Matthew 22:2-14.

Sure it does. Do a word search of chosen, predestined, elect, and adopted sometime.