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Did I Eat The Forbidden Fruit?

Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by tyndale1946, Mar 1, 2023.

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  1. tyndale1946

    tyndale1946 Well-Known Member
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    Yet in Adam who is my Federal Representative and by one man sin entered the world and death by sin I am charged guilty and so is everyone else who came from the loins of Adam... Ergo all humanity... All are born to die... In the same vein Jesus Christ who is called the second Adam is like I call my Righteous Representative he not only paid for my sins and all those his Father gave to him and no one else, but because of him he took what I deserved as my substitute on his cross and took the wrath of God for me... Jesus was born sinless as I'm sure we all agree but if he did not bear our sins on the cross and became us, when our sins according to scripture, his Father laid our sins upon him... That is how he became us... We are not saved because of what we did, we are saved because of what he did... The grace and mercy of God that we did not deserve... I can better understand but can't comprehend, the suffering of Christ when it happened but we can feel the agony and the wrath of God upon his Son with these words:

    Matthew 27:46 And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?

    There isn't one person on here that is not guilty because of Adams sin, we all die... I don't claim any righteousness in me but I toss my crown if I have any at Jesus Christ the King, who righteousness I claim as my own... THE LORD OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS... In Adam alone, We are sinners... By Jesus Christ alone, We are saints... Brother Glen:)
     
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    It would seem that you are missing a few verses from your bible. I have included a few for you to look up for a start.
    Heb_2:9 should taste death for every man
    1Jn_2:2 propitiation for the whole world
    1Ti_4:10 savior of all men
    1Ti_2:5-6 gave Himself a ransom for all
    Rom_5:6, for the ungodly
    Rom_5:8 while we were still sinners
     
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    I enjoyed reading this post and am in agreement with most of it. May I ask you, when do you believe God Justified you before His Law and Justice based on Christ bearing your sins as your substitute ? Was it before your regeneration and faith in Christ ? Was it before you were born a sinner and while you were a enemy and unbeliever ?
     
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    All those verses are limited to Gods Elect.
     
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    Heb_2:9 should taste death for every man
    1Jn_2:2 propitiation for the whole world
    1Ti_4:10 savior of all men
    1Ti_2:5-6 gave Himself a ransom for all
    Rom_5:6, for the ungodly
    Rom_5:8 while we were still sinners

    So only God's elect are ungodly sinners. So by your logic everyone else that are not part of your "elect" will be in heaven as they are not ungodly sinners. BF you must be a universalist as your saying everyone will be saved, the non-elect because they have not sinned and your "elect" because God forgives them.
     
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    Of course Gods elect were ungodly sinners, why do you think Christ died for them ? Duh
     
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    But you just ignore the rest of the post which in normal for those that do not have an answer. But like I said, by your logic the rest of humanity are not ungodly sinners, DUH. Your ability to ignore the obvious is truly astounding.
     
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    My faith had nothing to do with it... It's all Christ!... And my regeneration was by the Holy Spirit alone... Instead which all of us deserved Justice... Can a man love God (Agape love not Eros) without, God putting his love in them by his gracious tender mercy alone?... We have nothing to claim or any merit for being saved eternally... Its all of God in the person of Jesus Christ but our faith walk in it we are either blessed or cursed... And our chastisement in life is to get us back on the right way... Like the disclaimer says on all my post... If God in the person of Jesus Christ is not your Savior 100%... Are you your own?... Brother Glen:)

    Btw... PM me if you want and we will continue this conversation on the side
     
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    No the non elect are also ungodly sinners.
     
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    So you now admit that God has died for all humanity, all the ungodly sinners just as the bible tells us He did.

    Heb_2:9 should taste death for every man
    1Jn_2:2 propitiation for the whole world
    1Ti_4:10 savior of all men
    1Ti_2:5-6 gave Himself a ransom for all
    Rom_5:6, for the ungodly
    Rom_5:8 while we were still sinners

    You try to have your cake and eat it to. God did indeed die for all men not just your so called "elect".
     
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    No, Christ died for the ungodly elect, not the ungodly non elect.
     
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    No, Christ died for the ungodly elect, not the ungodly non elect.
     
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    But that is not what the bible says. Don't you believe the bible?
     
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    Thats what you say the bible doesnt teach.
     
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    It seems unfair to be judged guilty for an ancestors sin.

    …by one man sin entered the world, and death through sin, and so death spread to all mankind, because all sinned — Romans 5:12 NASB
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    I’m condemned to sin because I am a descendent of Adam. I’m guilty because I sin.

    Through faith in Christ, he offers the gift of grace “to the many”.

    Rob
     
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