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No, we do not need a degree to study the Bible and use the tools created by experts in their fields. We should also be very aware of our limitations and not make bold claims that experts did a terrible job when we have not been trained in their field of expertise. We should humbly admit that our studies are incomplete and lacking when we attempt to interpret the Bible and use resources that experts created for we who are amateurs in that field.

 

Who wrote the footnote?
Who did the translation work for each version?
Were these people uneducated and unknowledgeable of the original language? Is there a linguistic reason why there are differing synonyms being used? If so, how do we know? Who do we turn to as an expert who can explain it to us? Who wrote the Concordances, the lexicons and helps for people who don't know how to read the original languages?

You can slice it and dice it anyway you wish, but to imagine that we can do a better job of interpreting the Greek to English is arrogantly laughable.

 

So what teaching is being disagreed on here? There can be more than one. But to deal properly each point needs to be dealt with one at a time.

 

"agenda driven mis-translation"

 

If you are referring to me, you are making a false statement. I never said study was only worthwhile for those with degrees.

What I have stated is that you are, very apparently, an amateur at understanding Biblical Greek. You do not even realize that all of those “experts” that you dismiss out of hand have spent decades of their lives studying Biblical languages, writing papers and submitting them for peer review. There is nothing better to bring humility into your life than allowing other scholars to critique your work.

If they disagree, they will explain in detail why they disagree. They won’t say “utter nonsense”, “false doctrine” and dismiss the argument out of hand, which is what you do, proving you don’t understand Biblical Greek.

You show no humility as you approach God’s Word. You show no respect for those that disagree with you.

You are the one that comes with an agenda on one shoulder and a chip on the other.

And people have addressed your posts in detail on many occasions, only to received the much used “utter nonsense” as if by saying it, you can make it true.

peace to you

 

No one has said this.
You are choosing to interpret what others have said and thus make a felonious statement.

What I have stated, is that those who have dedicated their lives to reading and translating greek into other languages are far more capable of translation work than an amateur with no training in translation work.

To brush these people off with the sweep of a hand and claim the are "agenda driven" is silly on your part. It becomes clear that it is you who has the agenda and thus you reject what doesn't fit into your own agenda.

 

I take it that the question is whether it is the Book of Life that was written from the foundation of the world, or the Lamb that was slain from the foundation of the world. Will you tell us, please, why you think it is one or the other? Is there a variation in the texts or is there some other reason for your preference?

 

What's the problem?


New International Version
All inhabitants of the earth will worship the beast—all whose names have not been written in the Lamb’s book of life, the Lamb who was slain from the creation of the world.

New Living Translation
And all the people who belong to this world worshiped the beast. They are the ones whose names were not written in the Book of Life that belongs to the Lamb who was slaughtered before the world was made.

English Standard Version
and all who dwell on earth will worship it, everyone whose name has not been written before the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who was slain.

Berean Standard Bible
And all who dwell on the earth will worship the beast—all whose names have not been written from the foundation of the world in the Book of Life belonging to the Lamb who was slain.

Berean Literal Bible
And all dwelling on the earth will worship it, of whom their names have not been written from the founding of the world in the book of life of the Lamb having been slain.

King James Bible
And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

New King James Version
All who dwell on the earth will worship him, whose names have not been written in the Book of Life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

New American Standard Bible
All who live on the earth will worship him, everyone whose name has not been written since the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who has been slaughtered.

NASB 1995
All who dwell on the earth will worship him, everyone whose name has not been written from the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who has been slain.

NASB 1977
And all who dwell on the earth will worship him, everyone whose name has not been written from the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who has been slain.

Legacy Standard Bible
And all who dwell on the earth will worship him, everyone whose name has not been written from the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who has been slain.

Amplified Bible
All the inhabitants of the earth will fall down and worship him, everyone whose name has not been written since the foundation of the world in the Book of Life of the Lamb who has been slain [as a willing sacrifice].

Christian Standard Bible
All those who live on the earth will worship it, everyone whose name was not written from the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who was slaughtered.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
All those who live on the earth will worship him, everyone whose name was not written from the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who was slaughtered.

American Standard Version
And all that dwell on the earth shall worship him, every one whose name hath not been written from the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb that hath been slain.

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
And all the inhabitants of The Earth will worship it, those who are not written in The Book of Life of The Lamb slain before the foundation of the world.

Contemporary English Version
The beast was worshiped by everyone whose name wasn't written before the time of creation in the book of the Lamb who was killed.

Douay-Rheims Bible
And all the dwell upon the earth adored him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb, which was slain from the beginning of the world.

English Revised Version
And all that dwell on the earth shall worship him, every one whose name hath not been written in the book of life of the Lamb that hath been slain from the foundation of the world.

GOD'S WORD® Translation
Everyone living on earth will worship it, everyone whose name is not written in the Book of Life. That book belongs to the lamb who was slaughtered before the creation of the world.

Good News Translation
All people living on earth will worship it, except those whose names were written before the creation of the world in the book of the living which belongs to the Lamb that was killed.

International Standard Version
All those who had become settled down and at home, living on the earth, will worship it, everyone whose name had not been written in the Book of Life belonging to the lamb that had been slaughtered since the foundation of the world.

Literal Standard Version
And all who are dwelling on the earth will worship him, whose names have not been written in the Scroll of Life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world;

Majority Standard Bible
And all who dwell on the earth will worship the beast—all whose names have not been written from the foundation of the world in the Book of Life belonging to the Lamb who was slain.

New American Bible
All the inhabitants of the earth will worship it, all whose names were not written from the foundation of the world in the book of life, which belongs to the Lamb who was slain.

NET Bible
and all those who live on the earth will worship the beast, everyone whose name has not been written since the foundation of the world in the book of life belonging to the Lamb who was killed.

New Revised Standard Version
and all the inhabitants of the earth will worship it, everyone whose name has not been written from the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb that was slaughtered.

New Heart English Bible
All who dwell on the earth will worship him, everyone whose name has not been written from the foundation of the world in the Book of Life of the Lamb who has been killed.

Webster's Bible Translation
And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

Weymouth New Testament
And all the inhabitants of the earth will be found to be worshipping him: every one whose name is not recorded in the Book of Life--the Book of the Lamb who has been offered in sacrifice ever since the creation of the world.

World English Bible
All who dwell on the earth will worship him, everyone whose name has not been written from the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who has been killed.

Young's Literal Translation
And bow before it shall all who are dwelling upon the land, whose names have not been written in the scroll of the life of the Lamb slain from the foundatio

 

I believe I can know exactly what God wants me to know by reading my KJB. No Hebrew nor Greek necessary.

 

Only the OLD Kings Commissioned Bible that didn't have the more complete Greek documents we have today? Do you think you can drink poison and be fine?

The OKCB is one God certainly has used to redeem English speaking rebels, but it's hardly the only translation to do so. However, keep reading the OKCB if that's your preference.

 

Well, if you are reading and comparing, no need for formal study.

However, if you post in a public’ forum your repeated assertion that certain passages are better understood with different definitions of Greek Words and phrases… it would be important to show some expertise in your knowledge of Biblical Greek.

And you haven’t done that. In fact, just the opposite. Your posts concerning Biblical Greek demonstrate limited understanding at best.

Couple that with your lack of humility and inability to accept any type of criticism and the result is threads that edify no one and accomplish nothing.

peace to you