Featured What Exactly Does "Have Fellowship With Devils" Mean?

More denial of the obvious. Now he is simply addressing me and not the topic, go figure.
Did anyone say "every instance of idolatry?" So more obfuscation, more running from truth.
Personal incredulity is a fallacious argument.

Folks read Ephesians 2:2 or 6:12 concerning the spiritual origins of disinformation.

I think the context of 1 Corinthians 10:19-20 is that pagan beliefs and sacrifices, although fictions, are put into the minds of people by spiritual demonic beings, and so to be participants in these activities means (1) having spiritual commonality of purpose, mindset, etc. with demons, and (2) to be directly or indirectly fellowshiping with demonic powers.

Did Paul teach that other deities were fictions? See 1 Corinthians 8:10

 

That states an assumption with no proof, or even explanation. One would have to demonstrate (pun intended) that the demons Paul refers to cannot go by names the Gentiles use for them, that is, for their false gods to whom they are sacrificing.

 

You are quite right, of course. κοινωνία is the word that means 'sharing,' 'participation' etc. κοινωνοὶ and κοινωνοὺς are the nominative and accusative plural of κοινωνος, which can mean a 'partner,' but in context seems to mean simply 'those who share, partake' etc.
The NKJV translates κοινωνοὶ in v.18 as 'partakers,' and κοινωνοὺς in v.20 as effectively 'fellowshippers.' Verse 20b might be translated, 'I do not wish you to become fellowshippers with [the] demons.'
I don't think any of that leads me to amend my understanding already expressed, but I'm interested now to see your exposition of the verse. Over to you.

 

No matter what position you take, your assertions seem to rely on disinformation.

Did anyone say Adam was deceived? Nope
Did anyone say "all" disinformation has demonic origins? What was said? "Folks read Ephesians 2:2 or 6:12 concerning the spiritual origins of disinformation." Once again we see the poor hermeneutic of adding to the phrase, of disinformation as if it said, of all disinformation.

 

Good grief, now it is claimed there is a shortage of demons such that they cannot effectively fellowship with humanity. Speculation on display.

 

Claiming you are correct and disparaging me does not move the ball, it is fallacious argumentation.

 

This is what was said:

Now it is claimed the above does not suggest the absence of actual demons, and therefore direct fellowship is unlikely. Fine

 

More slander, more disinformation.

Did I say He implied something? Nope. I said He claimed He did not suggest "the absence of actual demons, and therefore direct fellowship is unlikely. I said fine.

Notice he is not addressing my interpretation of 1 Corinthians 10:19-20. Here it is again:

Folks read Ephesians 2:2 or 6:12 concerning the spiritual origins of disinformation.

I think the context of 1 Corinthians 10:19-20 is that pagan beliefs and sacrifices, although fictions, are put into the minds of people by spiritual demonic beings, and so to be participants in these activities means (1) having spiritual commonality of purpose, mindset, etc. with demons, and (2) to be directly or indirectly fellowshiping with demonic powers.

Did Paul teach that other deities were fictions? See 1 Corinthians 8:10 ​

 

[First statement removed.] Calvinists have long used the claim something Gnostic in Greek Grammar indicates their mistaken view of a verse is indicated by unrevealed knowledge. Same idea that spawned the Reformation, where scripture was presented in Latin, then "explained" in the native language.

Was any light shed by post #36? Nope. Was the "exact meaning of having fellowship with demons" stated? Nope

Hebrews 10:33 says "you became companions" and 1 Corinthians 10:20 says "you to have fellowship"

Now here is a snippet from Thayer's:

, 1 Corinthians 10:18; τῶν δαιμονίων, partakers of (or with) demons, i. e. brought into fellowship with them, because they are the authors of the heathen worship ​

Thus the actual contextual and grammatical view of 1 Corinthians 10:18-20 is:

I think the context of 1 Corinthians 10:18-20 is that pagan beliefs and sacrifices, although fictions, are put into the minds of people by spiritual demonic beings, and so to be participants in these activities means (1) having spiritual commonality of purpose, mindset, etc. with demons, and (2) to be directly or indirectly fellowshiping with demonic powers.​

 

It is quite believable that such would be the case with those you know. But that does not demonstrate a difference with what Paul is talking about.

Where does Paul state that these Gentiles know or agree that they are sacrificing to devils? Their understanding is not a prerequisite to the underlying reality.

Paul is explaining that reality to Christians. What one claims to be doing or thinks he is doing is not necessarily the reality of it.

1 Cor 10:19-21
19 What say I then? that the idol is any thing, or that which is offered in sacrifice to idols is any thing?
20 But I say, that the things which the Gentiles sacrifice, they sacrifice to devils, and not to God: and I would not that ye should have fellowship with devils.
21 Ye cannot drink the cup of the Lord, and the cup of devils: ye cannot be partakers of the Lord's table, and of the table of devils.

 

Paul is addressing a problem we also see in the letters to the seven churches in Asia minor, that being the tendency of Christians to compromise in order to have a job or keep their position in the community. In order to do this, we find in Revelation, people had to worship the god's of the trade guild or participate in honoring Ceasar as Lord (god). Christians were trying to determine what they could do and what they couldn't do in regard to the culture around them. Paul is speaking to this issue in 1 Corinthians 10 when he walks them through the exodus and the various actions of the Hebrews while on their journey in the wilderness. Paul specifically points out sins that led to judgment by God and warns the Corinthians not to follow in those acts of sin.

Now, verses 14-22 we see Paul speaking about communion around the Lord's table. In receiving communion the believers are declaring themselves to be one with Christ Jesus while separating themselves from the gods of the trade guilds or Ceasar worship. Paul is telling the Corinthians that there is no way you can declare Jesus as Lord and have union with Christ Jesus while still participating in the ceremonies of the trade guild gods and honoring Caesar as Lord. To participate in the pagan ceremonies to the trade guild gods or in calling Caesar Lord would be to declare allegiance to demons. Such a declaration, after declaring that Jesus is Lord by participating in communion, would lead to provoking God to jealousy.

*1 Corinthians 10:14-22*
Therefore, my beloved, flee from idolatry. I speak as to sensible people; judge for yourselves what I say. The cup of blessing that we bless, is it not a participation in the blood of Christ? The bread that we break, is it not a participation in the body of Christ? Because there is one bread, we who are many are one body, for we all partake of the one bread. Consider the people of Israel: are not those who eat the sacrifices participants in the altar? What do I imply then? That food offered to idols is anything, or that an idol is anything? No, I imply that what pagans sacrifice they offer to demons and not to God. I do not want you to be participants with demons. You cannot drink the cup of the Lord and the cup of demons. You cannot partake of the table of the Lord and the table of demons. Shall we provoke the Lord to jealousy? Are we stronger than he?