Featured Juneteenth

We do not celebrate Mothers Fay, Fathers Day, or Christmas!!

How’s that?
We do celebrate Thanksgiving often

 

What is G3?

 

It is two black guys who started a radio program called "Just thinking." They are anti-woke. They are somehow in line with John Macarthur.

 

Podcast - Just Thinking Ministries

 

I do not understand why this vague title needs to be adopted. On December 6, 1865, the 13th Amendment was ratified (the necessary number of states having adopted it) and so "Freedom Day" celebration on December 6 would be appropriate.
We should not celebrate when people are compelled by force of arms to allow their fellow humans the same freedom they enjoy, but we should celebrate when people of many colors choose to demand freedom for all. Anyway, that is my two cents.

 

The Old Testament certainly has commands regarding slaves, but I wasn't thinking of the Old Testament. I was thinking of the New Testament and the commands of the New Testament has everything to do with the slavery of blacks in the Antebellum South and North. There are a whole host of verses here, both New and Old Testament that give instructions to those who own slaves and servants and those whom are themselves slaves and servants.

Paul himself returned the slave Onesimus to his master Philemon. Thus admonishing Onesimus for abandoning his master and request for Philemon to receive him as a brother. Paul does not order Philemon to free Onesimus.

What Does the Bible Say About Slavery?

We are in agreement on this for several reasons. I did not make that comparison so I am unsure who you are quarreling with. What you speak of there is rape, and kidnapping and the mutilation of children all of which is evil.

It was not. Exodus deals with kidnapping, the verse is 1 Timothy is translated as kidnappers as well in the KJV. This is a prime example to not trust most modern translations as the translators are lazy or have other agendas. In the Old Testament the Lord even allowed things like debt slavery where if someone could not pay their bills they became enslaved to the creditor until the payment of their debt was complete or until the Jubilee. God even made provision for slaves that were happy to have the option to make their slavery a lifelong commitment to be under the protection of their master.

Answer me this, in the below verse, in Leviticus 25:44-46, does God allow the "...buying, trading and selling of human beings...":
"As for your male and female slaves whom you may have: you may buy male and female slaves from among the nations that are around you. You may also buy from among the strangers who sojourn with you and their clans that are with you, who have been born in your land, and they"

Here's a good read about it as well:
God And Slavery In The Old Testament

That is because most Christians refuse to accept the whole Bible as the Truth. Many Christians, like Thomas Jefferson, pick and choose what parts of the Bible they like. That's why we have progressive people claiming to be Christians flying pride flags, because they pick and choose what they want. The Bible is a take it or leave it proposition, there is no lukewarmness.

Either Jesus Christ is a member of the Godhead, the same Godhead that slew thousands upon thousands in the Old Testament, and that allowed slavery in both the Old Testament and the New Testament, and who died on the cross and rose again to save all of us from our sins, or He's not. And when people start picking and choosing which parts of the Bible they like, and which parts of the Bible they want to hide away in the closet, that's when the Church loses its salt as it has today. And that is why we are so afflicted in the West with sin now.

A hymn the Old Regular and Primitive Baptists sing is called "I'm not ashamed to own my Lord" and I refused to be ashamed of my Lord because he taught how to be a good slave master or a good slave in Philemon. Slavery was commonplace until the past two hundred years.

The Bible has three categories of moral laws:
Negative Things (Things we shouldn't do) - Do not kill, rape, steal, commit adultery, etc
Positive Things (Things we should do) - Treat your neighbor well, help the needy, love your brother, etc
Permitted Things (Things that God tolerates, that likely will not exist in the New Heaven and New Earth, but that are NOT sin) - In this category we have slavery, and polygamy to name a few off the top of my head. God does not typically like them, but they are not outright sin. None of these are anything worth killing someone else over.

Here's an interesting read on Polygamy, which is in the same category as slavery:
www.gotquestions.org/polygamy.html


It's worth nothing that the outlawing of slavery across the world is a prime candidate for reasons to be post millennial in eschatology. The gospel permeated Western Civilization to such an extent that 200 years ago there were enough Christians that were born-again to outlaw slavery through peaceful means all over Western Civilization. The fact that extreme abolitionists in the U.S chose to accomplish emancipation through violent means rather than through peaceful means, as advocated by the moderate abolitionists, is a scar that will linger on this country forever and is why we have such racial problems. It was a case of impatient men and women attempting to force their will upon others. If they had waited a couple decades we would have joined the rest of Western Civilization just like every other Western country in the world.

 

To be faithful to the text they should also include Roman and Greek slavery, which would be the most common forms that early Christians dealt with, where a slave was owned by the master for life, which is similar to American slavery.

While American slavery enslaved largely Blacks with some American Indians, the Romans and Greeks enslaved every person from every conquered people they could to power their economy, regardless of race. Germans, Africans, Persians, Greeks, Huns, and Celts were all enslaved. Many were sent to work on Latifundia (plantations) spread throughout the Roman empire where they were forced to provide agricultural labor.

 

Once again we seem to have professing Christians unwilling to admit that the slavery in America was a sinful abomination, a disgrace to God.

 

That's NOT the Gospel of Christ. It's the gospel of John Calvin... and that theory isn't settled as fact and won't be in our lifetime.

 

You're correct... it's not nor will it ever be.

 

Was it a disgrace to God? The Bible addresses slavery, giving commands to both the slave and the slave owner. Joseph was sold into slavery by his own brothers who meant it for evil, but, God meant it for good. God's way of thinking and human thoughts on a subject aren't always the same.

 

If Juneteenth becomes associated with protest, with Blackness, with oppression, with reparations, it will never be a unifying national holiday.
If Juneteenth becomes associated with family, with unity, with freedom, with victory over oppression, it stands a chance.

Rob

 

We aren’t Brits .. thank God!

 

I do not think it is fruitful to debate the obvious. If you want others to take you by force, and compel you to serve them, have at it.

 

Because you are striving to be, as Christ commanded, a messenger of truth!!