Approaches to vaccines

No. I still believe that whether or not one gets vaccinated should be a personal choice and that some reject all vaccines while others reject select vaccines. My view on the covid vaccines and the freedom to choose has not changed. People should not try to influence others either way. It should be a decision between the person and their doctor (assuming they trust their doctor).

I believe this with any medical treatment. My mom is in the hospital now (I'm there right now), and I told her to listen to her doctors and I'd support her decision.

My brother did not get the covid vaccine. I was fine with that (it's up to him). I certainly would defend his right to make his own decisions regarding his health.

I did get vaccinated. He respected my right to make my own health decisions.

My sister is anti-vax. I also support her decision. Much of her choices is based on allergies.


In other words, whether somebody is anti-vacvine, anti-covid- vaccine, or pro-covid or pro-vaccine.....those are and should be personal health decisions.

So no, my view has not changed. I'm pretty much a libertarian when it comes to these issues. I remain opposed to vilifying people for their health choices whether it is not to be vaccinated or to get the vaccine.

 

Then you misunderstood my position. That is on you, not me, because I repeatedly posted that I was against mandates.

In these issues I am libertarian. I do not believe the government has the right to mandate invasive health measures - like vaccines - for the general public. I also believe seat belt laws for adults are wrong

 

It has been awhile, so I will restate my position on the SARS-CoV-2 vaccines as it seems some have an issue with my beliefs yet are not representing them correctly. This goes beyond the vaccines.

I do not believe the government has the right to mandate vaccines to the general public regardless of the vaccine.

I believe that people should have been left to decide for themselves whether or not to be vaccinated against SARS-CoV-2. This means I believe propaganda from both pro and con vaccine people was wrong.

I believe that health care decisions should be left up to the individual.

I believe that the government should have no authority to decide for a private business what they will do insofar as requiring vaccines unless it is well established that in the process of conducting business the company could harm others (I believe hospitals should test for TB, for example).

I believe the government should require companies to provide certain safety mechanisms. (For example, I work at a nuclear facility and in areas I have to wear PPE to include a respirator or plastic suit...the job could be done quicker without having to dress out every time but that would put employees at risk). BUT these are not invasive measures.

 

No, that is actually this discussion.

You mistakenly believed that I was for mandated vaccinations. That is far from my position. I do not believe that the government has the right to mandate vaccines for the public. Instead I believe that the government exists by virtue of the people, for the people, authorized by the Constitution.

I am a "Constitutionalist" (that means I believe the US Government itself should be governed according to the US Constitution).

I am not sure how you became confused over my position here since I repeatedly stated that I am against the government forcing vaccinations on the public.

Perhaps you simply confused my posts with somebody else's.

Or maybe you simply thought it easier to misrepresenting my stated position. It certainly would be easier to argue against a position you made up rather than what others actually hold.

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and attribute your mistake to simple confusion. The discussion was about SARS-CoV-2 vaccines which was awhile back. Maybe time was just not your friend.

What you seem to have confused as supporting mandated vaccines was probably my statement that I believe business owners should be able to make the decisions uninfluenced by the federal government. I believe that business decisions (whether a business requires a vaccine, requires masks, requires unmasked employees, requires one to be clean shaven, or to wear a clown suit) should be up to the employer. Capitalism will ultimately effect the continued practice.

In the future just ask me what I believe instead of making stuff up. If you are confused then just ask for clarification.

 

Bottom line is I know my positions, you know yours.

I stated mine. You can state yours.

But you cannot tell me what I believe.

And I cannot tell you what you believe.


You have a bad habit of arguing with members by telling them what they believe.

You do not need a search feature to know my position. I just told you.

Now you can offer your position and we can discuss our differences.

 

The problem has been long going with @Aaron .

A member says "I believe A". Aaron responds "no you don't, you believe B". It equates to lying, but has been an issue on this board.

That said, it won't continue. You mentioned several are here only to disrupt. You are right, but in time my guess is they will be gone. Many are in their last chance as it is.

 

Tell your friend that if he tells a member that member does not believe what that member says he believes then your friend will be banned from the BB for lying.

Also tell your friend that when addressing members who are also on staff to be careful to leave out that members staff position. That moves discussing a disagreement between two men (two members) to disparaging a staff member for being a staff member.

Let him know ASAP because I'd hate your friend to be banned out of ignorance.

 

Closed as the OP is not active at this time

 

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