Trump and Death Penalty

Back in history, death penalty was given to people sorry stealing, even a small amount.

Back in the early 1950s when doing away with the death penalty was being considered, we had a debate in our class at school about whether we should or not. I spoke on both sides, as I could see good and bad points on each side. At the time we had very few murders committed, or at least reported. I voted that for keeping it as I thought we would replace punishment by trial with punishment without trial by police shooting. Soon after we abandoned the death penalty, police killed 2 people who had entered an embassy and threatened staff.

No we have an avalanche of murders, the two most common are stabbing and setting a house on fire with the inhabitants still inside.

A number of high profile cases were of men sentenced to life and getting parole after a few years and then committing another murder.

 

Stoning, with public PARTICIPATION

 

Many years ago after serving my time in the Marines, when I got to the states I was with Military Police until I got out... Being now a civilian I decided I wanted to pursue a job in Law Enforcement, so I took a class in Criminology Corrections in San Diego... In one of our classes this question was asked by our instructor... Before I dismiss class let me ask you all... Class what would be a good deterrent for crime?... Many raised their hands an gave different answers but when he came to me at last... He said and you sir, what would you do?... That is easy I said... Install a working guillotine in the town square!... He kind of jerked his head in shock and said okay... Class dismissed... Brother Glen

 

Sure. But only if the one without sin is the first to cast a stone.

peace to you

 

So, you'd allow murderous sociopaths to live on account of unavailability of sinless stone throwers.

 

I’ll follow what my Lord Jesus Christ taught. He said it. Go complain to Him if you think He’s wrong.

peace to you

 

Our resident pacifist is quoting Jesus here:

7 But when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her. Jn 8

I'm quoting Jesus here:

14 Bring forth him that hath cursed without the camp; and let all that heard him lay their hands upon his head, and let all the congregation stone him.
23 And Moses spake to the children of Israel; and they brought forth him that had cursed out of the camp, and stoned him with stones. And the children of Israel did as Jehovah commanded Moses. Lev 24

 

In John 8, Jesus is presented with a death penalty case. He refers to the OT instructions concerning execution… that two or three witnesses are the first to throw stones.

Jesus changes the rules for executions. It is no longer two or three witnesses that initiate the execution. It is the “one without sin” among you that throws the first stone

The only one that is without sin is God Himself.

Additionally, the Apostle Paul tells us that God demonstrated mercy toward him as an example that future Christians are to follow (1 Timothy 1:16). Paul was a murderer by his own admission.

BTW, the OT also tells the Hebrew people to stone to death people work on the Sabbath, among many other death penalty offenses.

If you want to live by one part of the OT Law, according to Paul, you have to keep it all.

BTW, I am not a pacifist.

peace to you

 

So you say, I think He knows the hearts of the accusers and makes the appropriate call for the situation.

So was I:

 

Of course He knows our hearts.

The death penalty was meant to be carried out impartially and consistently according to God’s laws. The history of the world demonstrates that has never occurred.

Jesus changed the rules for execution. He is God. He gets to do that. It was no different than when He said “you have heard it was said.. (insert OT commandment here) … but I say….”

He changed the way we consider adultery, murder, working on the sabbath and so on.

And He has changed the way we consider execution.

1 Timothy 1:16 specifically tells us Jesus demonstrated mercy to Paul (murderer) that future Christians are suppose to follow.

If if you disagree with my understanding of John 8, how can you support public stoning (and participation in that) and follow the command of 1 Timothy 1:16?

peace to you

 

6 For I, Jehovah, change not; therefore ye, O sons of Jacob, are not consumed. Mal 3

8 Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and to-day, yea and for ever. Heb 13

This was not a change, but a 'revealing':

14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin. Ro 7

"At it's core the Sermon On The Mount is an exposition of the law given by the Author of the law, addressed to the recipients of the law, showing the spirituality of the law."

I disagree with the extreme conclusions you make from these scriptures, and in no way am I supporting "public stoning (and participation in that)", and I don't see a "command" in 1 Tim 1:16 not to incapacitate sociopathic killers, of which Paul was NOT.

2 They shall put you out of the synagogues: yea, the hour cometh, that whosoever killeth you shall think that he offereth service unto God. Jn 16

12 I thank him that enabled me, even Christ Jesus our Lord, for that he counted me faithful, appointing me to his service;
13 though I was before a blasphemer, and a persecutor, and injurious: howbeit I obtained mercy, because I did it ignorantly in unbelief; 1 Tim 1

Your pacifist interpretation is extreme. Concerning a sin that carries capital punishment the apostle John instructs:

16 If any man see his brother sinning a sin not unto death, he shall ask, and God will give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: not concerning this do I say that he should make request. 1 Jn 5

 

My apologies for misunderstanding your post#24..

i thought you supported stoning with public participation when you posted..

“stoning with public PARTICIPATION”

peace to you