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Gay means to be happy!

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  1. Salty

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    The dictionary meaning of "gay"
    Definition of GAY
    I find it amazing that the first definition is referring to the "romantic interest of the same gender.
    That was not the use until after 1950's
    Even in the 60's - remember the Flintstones - the theme song included "A gay ole time".

    So why do we use the term "Gay" ?

    IMHO - some like the term "gay" because it sounds nicer than "hom0se/wal

    This comes under the heading of: L.E.F.T - Liberal Educational For Terminology.
    Libs want us to use certain terms which are more PC.

    So, your thoughts
     
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    I am of the point of view, we Christians should not agree with the advocating of [any porn type of] immorality. Including going along with changing our language for that use. [Matthew 15:18-19]
     
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    You are not going to be able to dislodge "gay" from it's meaning of homosexual. It goes back way farther than the 1950's, but it was not used in that manner for much of the public use. It was more of a code word for homosexual men.

    Remember Oscar Wilde - brilliant London author, I love his works - but he was a closeted homosexual man. When he was discovered, he was arrested and put on trial and sentenced to prison. It was then that the London police began really cracking down on male prostitutes. The female prostitutes of London were called "gay ladies" meaning a man would have a really good time with them. I'm sure these London prostitutes didn't feel the same way. They were poor and just making a living. This was after all, the Jack the Ripper days. After the crack down on male prostitutes, the male prostitutes started dressing as females to allude the police and calling themselves "gay ladies".

    The word crept into the everyday language little by little.

    It has nothing to do with being politically correct or leftist.
     
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    Yes, looks like gay does have a longer history of being used to refer to immoral behavior. However, it is now definitely used by male homosexuals to avoid that explicit term, which was used clinically to refer to same sex sex as a perversion and psychological disorder.

    They consider “homosexual” a pejorative. However, they don’t mind using the term homophobe to describe those opposed to homosexual practices. Anyone wanting to be more literal, more consistent might want to refer to the agenda of the “rainbow flag community” as LHBTQ+.
     
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  5. Salty

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    Scarlett You may be correct
    But I want people to know where I stand

    Be advised - I will not use terms that most would find improper.
    (in fact, the link indicates that sometimes using the term "gay" is improper to use.

    Granted - we need to show love to all people! but we do not have to lower our standards either.

    Similar to calling a Roman Catholic priest as "Father" - I will call him Rev or some other acceptable terms.

    On the other hand - I would never call a Church of Christ minister as Rev (they beleive that Only God is reverend. And they do not like the term pastor.

    Boy - life can be diffcult.

    Call me what you want - just dont call me late for supper!
     
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    Salty, you are just being closed minded. Christians need to rethink their religious beliefs when new information comes around….

    Oh wait…. I think I was channeling another poster. :) Sorry

    peace to you
     
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    Just like faggots. AKA a bundle of sticks. Or Queer. Something strange, out of the ordinary.
     
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    I remember watching old boxing clips and when a boxer was stunned, the announcer would say he was taking a walk on Queer Street.

    We live in a different world and I don’t see it ever going back languages change over time. No stopping it.

    peace to you
     
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    Our religious beliefs should not change except as dictated by Scripture (we find we were wrong).

    Where God is immutable our language, understanding, and culture is not.

    Language is a type of symbol - it communicates ideas. So when the common meaning of words change we have to adapt. Otherwise we risk not communicating or communicating the wrong ideas.


    To illustrate, walking around telling people you are gay probably wouldn't be a good witness of Christ even though we may be very happy. ;)
     
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    So when Christians sing the song Deck The Halls With Boughs Of Holly and when we get the part and you all know all what I mean... Do we just mumble?:eek:... Brother Glen:rolleyes:
     
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    Well, it's not exactly a religious song....and some Christians DO laugh and non-Christians, too.

    But in those cases, just like "ass" in the Bible that means donkey, I always just go with the flow. Especially if it is older literature.

    Besides, I have had to explain to many a junior high student what "gay apparel" is.
     
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    Here’s another reconstruction of the English language that roils me………..Pride. Pride month, pride parades, every conceivable business, sports team, school, you name it, must celebrate ‘pride’. What is it that we should be SO proud of? That we accept mental illness to the point of wishing it for all of the country? It doesn’t make me proud, sorry, not sorry. They’ve managed to take the joy out of even looking at a rainbow. That’s progress for progressives. Make everyone as miserable as they are. It’s working. They must be so proud.
     
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    In all seriousness. So does that mean we should start using people's 'preferred pronouns'? Are we to accept the new meanings being attached to the pronouns? What about the new made up pronouns like 'xe/xem/xyr, ze/hir/hirs, and ey/em/eir, etc?
     
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    JonC was talking about language - not nonsense words.
     
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    Reminds me of an old hymn written by Isaac Watts which, as originally written, might not fit in so well in 2023 without explanation:

    Blest is the man whose bowels move,
    And melt with pity to the poor;
    Whose soul, by sympathizing love,
    Feels what his fellow saints endure.

    His heart contrives for their relief
    More good than his own hands can do;
    He, in the time of gen'ral grief,
    Shall find the Lord has bowels too.

    His soul shall live secure on earth,
    With secret blessings on his head,
    When drought, and pestilence, and dearth
    Around him multiply their dead.

    Or if he languish on his couch,
    God will pronounce his sins forgiv'n;
    Will save him with a healing touch,
    Or take his willing soul to heav'n.
     
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    Leviticus 18: 22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.

    Doesn't take a rocket scientist to understand that!

    1 Corinthians 6: 9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

    10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

    11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

    Brother Glen:)

    Btw... You don't make yourself righteous, The Lord Does!
     
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    LOL!! I've heard of that one before!
     
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    No. I am talking about communication, not the acceptance of ideas being communicated.
     
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    Another example is Fill My Cup.

    I did not understand why they changed the words to "fill me till I want no more" to "till I over flow" until I realized "want" was no longer communicating the writers intent.

    People were hearing "want" as "desire" rather than "lack" or "deficiency".

    The change bothered me at the time (still does...that's one of my favorite hymns). But it is better to change the word than communicate that Christians desire not to desire God.
     
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    I don't think I misunderstood what you said.
    'I don't know why people get up in arms about the English language changing. It is what it is.

    There are literally THOUSANDS of words that have changed in meaning.'

    Based on what you wrote, I think the answer to my question would be 'Yes'.
    'In all seriousness. So does that mean we should start using people's 'preferred pronouns'? Are we to accept the new meanings being attached to the pronouns? What about the new made up pronouns like 'xe/xem/xyr, ze/hir/hirs, and ey/em/eir, etc?'
     
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