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The Father’s Rest

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  1. Cathode

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    Most Holy Eternal Father, Father of Mercy, Father of Peace, take your rest in us. We need no other proof of your Love, Jesus showed us.
    As you rest in us, you grant everything, give everything your Love and Holy Will intended for us from all Eternity for Your Glory.
    We are your Glory through Jesus your Son, Your children, all that is yours you give to us.

    Father, all our enemies we hand over to you, all those in need that you sent to us we ask your blessings and peace.

    May we rest in you as you rest in us. On all your children Peace.
     
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    Scripture please to support the notion God the Father “rests” in us?

    peace to you
     
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    “Jesus answered and said to him, “If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word; and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our home with him.”

    Home is where we go to rest from our labours.

    We are of and from The Father’s Heart, and His Heart will not rest until it rests in us His Children.

    In Him is our sabbath rest, in us is His sabbath rest.

    The Father and Lord Jesus rest in us as home, and The Living Fire of The Holy Spirit lights the hearth.
     
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    So, you don’t have any scripture that says God the Father “rests” in us? You quote a passage of God making His “abode” with us, most likely referring to indwelling God Holy Spirit, and extrapolate a doctrine contrary to other scripture which clearly states we find our rest in Christ?

    The importance is the focus. Your stated doctrine has God the Father finding “rest” in us. Scripture says we find our test in Christ.

    One focuses on human beings doing something for God (providing rest) while scripture. focused on what God is doing for us (God grants us rest from all our struggles in Christ.

    The view is unbiblical and is a greatly flawed view of both man and God.

    peace to you
     
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    Fortunately I know from experience as with holding infant Jesus.

    People have said ‘ Where does it say “ Personal relationship “ in scripture’ ?

    Being technically correct is the bureaucrats reward, but a totally pale reward by comparison, they have missed something very profound.

    We can look at things bureaucratically and technically, but unless we become as little children, we can not enter the intimacy The Father wants with us.

    Bureaucrats are a major part of the parental alienation with The Father, that and wounds we carry from our earthly fathers.

    “Have I been with you so long, and you still do not know me, Philip? Whoever has seen me has seen the Father.“

    “The foxes have holes, and the birds of the air have nests; but the Son of man has no where to rest his head.”

    The animals have their homes to rest in, but God’s home is in us, we are the place where Jesus and The Father make their home.

    We are the home His servants are sent to prepare the sabbath, all idols ejected, all other loves, addictions and obsessions cast out. A fitting place The Father and The Lord can make their home and rest their heads.

    Our Father is a jealous Father, He suffers nothing to get between Him and His children.

    Only in vulnerability can there be intimacy, The Father is only vulnerable to His children.
    People can’t conceive the Love, intimacy and vulnerability of Jesus and The Father resting their heads in us as their home. Their Sabbath rest in a mere creature, the Almighty at home in our hovel.

    Unless we become as giant bureaucrats, we cannot enter the total misunderstandings prepared for us.
     
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    I was going to share a spiritual experience of The Father that I am still processing. But this is an experience not written on any page, and in sharing it, it might well cheapen it.
    The scripture points us to God, but the inner life is directed by God Himself and that takes us off the page and into another world.

    But suffice to say The Eternal Father is completely misunderstood by most people. He is Goodness Itself, the Best most Loving of Fathers.

    Jesus opened the way to The Father. Go to Him in confidence, not just with The Lord’s Prayer, with what is on your heart as well, as a little child.

    Draw close to The Father. Anyone who calls on Him as “ Father “ He will tear the fabric of time, space and eternity to be there and help. He always hears that call, I don’t care what your situation is.
    But people don’t understand this. The Father’s Name is Holy, when It is invoked it brings an entire Kingdom to you.
     
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    John H. Walton on the Theology of Rest:

    When Jesus invites people to “come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest” (Mt 11:28), he is not offering a nap or leisure time. He is inviting people to participate in the ordered kingdom of God, where, even though they have a yoke, they will find rest. Furthermore, when the author of Hebrews refers to the rest that remains for the people of God (Heb 4:10–11), he is not referring to relaxation but to security and order in the kingdom of God.
    The Lost World of Adam and Eve. p. 47​
     
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    All you have to do is sincerely sight the Our Father each day… I like this song as it reminds me of my relationship with the Father. :Biggrin

     
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    Action is the key! Well said Rob :Thumbsup
     
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    Thanks mate. beautifully said, beautiful.

    The Father’s Peace is His Order. His Peace and Order is worlds without end, there is no words to describe it. It can not be put into words. I thought it was just me a dumb garden labourer, but even the best human minds can not put proper words to it.
    You can experience a thing but you can’t truly describe it. You are drawn into a thing but it can’t be translated here.
    We say Peace and Order or Satisfaction or Contentment, or being accepted, surroundedly accepted, but that does not describe it.

    Outside The Father’s Will is sin, chaos and pain and great stupidity. We wallow in it, in love with our sin, hassled in our chaos, drugged to our pain and blind in our stupidity.
    The madness of this world compared to the Love, Peace and Joy we are offered, man truly needs to think the better of it.

    This Oneness with Jesus and The Father is everything we were created for our greatest fulfilment.
    Who are we that He should Love and care for us, the answer is that we are His children and He is Our Father.
     
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    So, you base your understanding of God on your experience, and disregard scripture when it runs contrary to your experience.

    OK. Good luck with that

    peace to you

    BTW, when it comes to God’s Word there is only “Truth” and there is “Error”. Being “technically” correct equals “Truth”. All else is error that leads to heresy.
     
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    Many proof text the word that does not live in theirs hearts. Some live the word and some merely quote it.

    The devil can quote scripture for his purpose.

    Many butcher the word by their misunderstandings and wrongful interpretations, all while claiming they are arbiters of its meaning.

    Scripture has enormous depth and is far more profound than many suspect, they read it at shallow level, it is not given them to understand the depths.

    Scripture is the Truth but it must be interpreted in Truth.

    For many, scripture remains on the page to be legalised over, it belongs in the heart to be experienced in the inner life. Those spiritual realities have to be experienced, they are not on the page.
     
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    Many say the words, but do not truly know The Father as their Father.

    Experiencing The Father goes way beyond reading about The Father.

    Holding Infant Jesus goes way beyond reading the Gospel account of Bethlehem.
     
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    Have you been holding baby Jesus?

    There is no misunderstand of scripture. You have provided nothing that says God “rests” in us. I pointed out the flaw in your theology, you ramble about how “some” don’t understand scripture.

    I will leave you to your thread

    peace to you
     
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    Yes. I have been with Jesus on the cross, the shores of Galilee, and at many other times.

    Unless scripture leads you to contemplation you can not be in Adoration, contemplation and adoration are by grace, they are the same thing.

    When you are a participant it personal, if you are just reading about it, it remains on the page.

    Adoration is by Grace, being transfixed by Grace, we are taken by Grace to Adore.

    Adoration is the “ personal relationship “ not specifically stated in scripture as “ personal relationship “.

    We keep watch with Jesus by Adoration. This is why Adoration happens at night more often, when our mind, heart and souls are most docile. Not just waking in spontaneous prayer but being taken by Grace into Jesus Life, we share His Life.

    What we understand in a moment of Adoration goes far beyond simply reading scripture.

    What do you think was the “ lip service “ Jesus complained of, but the endless quoting and recitation of scripture that didn’t live in their hearts.

    “Their hearts are far from me “

    The little ones understand by adoration of the heart, with scant knowledge of the intricacies and nuance of scripture they understand more. What they understand remains a complete mystery to the wise and learned who can quote you chapter and verse, yet remain earth bound.

    The little ones effortlessly soar by adoration the heights far above the wise and learned. Two very different levels of understanding.
    Unless we become as little children, we cannot enter Adoration.

    When we enter Adoration, we enter The Kingdom.
     
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    So, you have developed an elaborate doctrine based on your experiences and not on scripture.

    All that can say is your doctrine is not supported by scripture.

    I wish you well and may God Holy Spirit guide you.

    peace to you
     
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    This is no doctrine of mine, the doctrines have already been handed down from the Apostles from long ago.

    It’s a spirituality and disposition, it’s where Grace takes you after meditating on the scripture.
    There is no choice when that happens, it’s when God chooses and by His Grace.
    Isn’t that normal, when after we have handed over our human will for Him to direct our inner spiritual life.

    The scripture is not an idol of itself to be worshipped by legalism, it is not the end. It tells of a Father and His Kingdom within us, our home and His, that is the end.

    People don’t truly realise The Father is what He needs to be, for the sake of and the love of His children.

    If a man finds himself despairing, abandoned by all, dying and one foot in hell, let him call out “ Father “.

    I am still trying to process what happened the other day, the Goodness and Love will take forever to understand.

    I do street ministry, but I’m only a gardener, not a good one either, but I need the money, so if I sound preachy I am mostly preaching to myself and I have all the authority of a not so good gardener.
    Don’t want to upset you mate, I have been using this board to just get out what’s on my heart and mind mostly.
    Don’t think anyone is profiting out of it anyway, so I’ll kerb back or write out things more on another site to offload.

    Peace to you.
     
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    You have not upset me. I appreciate the desire for intimate relationship with God.

    You make confusing and contradictory arguments.

    You say folks should meditate on scripture for a closer relationship with God and I fully agree. You then disparage folks who study scripture, insinuating their relationship with God is legalistic and surface deep and without true understanding.

    You claim your doctrine has been handed down from the Apostles, but when shown it is contradictory to scripture, you do this passive aggressive thing saying basically if someone disagrees with your beliefs because they are not supported by scripture they don’t have an intimate relationship with God like you do.

    There is no debating such a mindset. Your beliefs come from outside scripture. Your beliefs are contrary to scripture.

    Once again, the belief that God the Father “rests” in us is not only directly contradictory to scripture (we rest in Christ), it elevates mankind and diminishes God.

    peace to you
     
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    I have heard this accusation on occasion, that those that hold to “scripture alone” worship the book as an idol. Utter nonsense.

    Normally, this accusation comes from folks holding to doctrine not supported by, and in the case of “Father’s rest”, is in direct contradiction of scripture.

    What I find curious is the accusation usually comes from Catholics, whom literally worship idols (though they call it veneration), and have, without a doubt an idol of God (Jesus) on a cross that they pray to.

    peace to you
     
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    You don’t believe home is a place to rest your head.

    You don’t believe The Father and Jesus make their home in us, is what I understand from you.

    You don’t believe God took a certain rest on the seventh day, His sabbath. The type of “ rest “ I refer to.

    You don’t believe a personal relationship with God is necessary.

    Do you know how much of the Forrest you fail to see for the trees?

    You seem to say you only believe what is explicitly stated in scripture, then from our past chats you reject what Jesus Himself explicitly says over and over again in scripture. What’s it to be?

    Implied or explicit private interpreters only see what they want to see in scripture.

    There is no debating that mindset.
     
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