Featured Faith is the result of Election !

So you have people saved prior to their believing so the question then becomes, why faith is even necessary? Plus why was it necessary for Christ to go to the cross at all?

You have thrown the whole meaning of salvation through faith in the risen Christ out the window.

What do these verses tell us
These are Christians who from the beginning of Paul's preaching the gospel message to them had believed. Having believed God chose them by His grace to be saved.

 

We were chosen in Him to be "holy and blameless" but the condition for one being in Him is faith just as we see in Eph 1:13 In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation—having also believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise,

Hear, believe, saved simple clear message. "The gospel the power of God for salvation" but the condition "to everyone who believes" Rom 1:16

Simple clear message faith before salvation.

 

1 Peter 1:2, . . . Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: . . .

2 Thessalonians 2:13, . . . because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth :

 

I am always amazed that we have people on BB that will deny clear scripture and yet expect us to believe the, shall we say, less than clear scripture they hold out as proof of their view.

 

@Brightfame52 you seem to think those verses prove your point but they do not accomplish what you ask of them.

No Christian would say that God does not know who will come to faith, He is omniscient after all. But knowing is not causing. Those that do trust in His risen Son are predestined to be conformed to the image of the Son. Where you seem to have a problem is that you think only select ones, the predestined ones are called. But that is not what we see in the biblical text or in real life is it.

We are told to preach the gospel to only the predestined elect, oh wait that’s not what the bible says is it. Mar_16:15 ..."Go into all the world and preach the gospel to all creation. So we see that the command is to call all people to salvation via the gospel message but we know that not all will respond in faith as many will reject the truth.

What we do know is that from the beginning God has set the condition of salvation, faith in His risen Son. You continue to take select verses in isolation to support your view and reject clear scripture that shows your view to be in error.

Rom_1:16 "For I {Paul} am not ashamed of {the message} the gospel of Christ, {why} for it is the power of God to salvation" {the condition} for everyone who believes,...
Hear, believe, saved, That is a simple clear message.

BF you have missed what the text is telling you in 2Th 2:13-14. Paul is expanding on what he has been saying to the believing Thessalonians regarding the return of Christ. He was admonishing them to grow in sanctification through the Holy Spirit and continued belief in the truth of the gospel message that he had preached to them.

These verses are not about initial salvation through trusting the gospel message but rather salvation of those that are in Christ at His return.

 

The scripture that you are giving does not support your view. When you pull verses out of context you can make them say just about anything you want. That is why you need to read verses in context. Doing so will clear up many of your errant ideas.

You are reading preconceived ideas into the text which the text does not support. If you think your verses support your view then show me how they do.

I could claim the moon is made of green cheese and when you say it is not just respond like you did. I have told you what I believe and you just reject it. If you want me or anyone else to believe you then show us why we should.

Surely you have a better argument that "just trust me". If you have clear scripture to support your view then present it.

 

A view derived from scripture taken out of context is still just your view, cults do that all the time. Are we to say that their view is scriptural?

 

You stopped short of the necessary verse BF. It tells you why they are to be considered holy and blameless, it is because they have believed in the risen Christ not one still in the grave.
Col 1:23 if indeed you continue in the faith, grounded and steadfast, and are not moved away from the hope of the gospel which you heard,

Context will clear up your errant view BF.

 

So you fall back too the normal response of those that have no ground to stand on. Blame the other person.

@Brightfame52 if you had any real scripture that clearly in context supported your view then you would provide it. But since you do not you wave your hands and blame the other person for not agreeing with your errant text.

Are you not the one that has made, what, 10 threads on the atonement and you can not provide any clear scripture in support of your view. So what you made were just multiple threads of blow and bluster.

Come on BF, support your view with clear contextual scripture if you can. Your opinion is just that, an opinion.

 

2Co 13:5 Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?

2Jo 1:8 Look to yourselves, that we lose not those things which we have wrought, but that we receive a full reward.
9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.
10 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:
11 For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.

Joh 7:17 If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself.

Mt 7:28 And it came to pass, when Jesus had ended these sayings, the people were astonished at his doctrine:

Mr 12:38 And he said unto them in his doctrine, Beware of the scribes, which love to go in long clothing, and love salutations in the marketplaces,
Lu 4:32 And they were astonished at his doctrine: for his word was with power.
Joh 7:16 Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me.

Ac 13:12 Then the deputy, when he saw what was done, believed, being astonished at the doctrine of the Lord.

Ro 16:17 Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.

1Ti 1:3 As I besought thee to abide still at Ephesus, when I went into Macedonia, that thou mightest charge some that they teach no other doctrine,

1Ti 4:6 If thou put the brethren in remembrance of these things, thou shalt be a good minister of Jesus Christ, nourished up in the words of faith and of good doctrine, whereunto thou hast attained.

1Ti 4:16 Take heed unto thyself, and unto the doctrine; continue in them: for in doing this thou shalt both save thyself, and them that hear thee.

1Ti 6:3 If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness;

2Ti 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
Tit 1:9 Holding fast the faithful word as he hath been taught, that he may be able by sound doctrine both to exhort and to convince the gainsayers.
Tit 2:1 But speak thou the things which become sound doctrine:

Tit 2:10 Not purloining, but shewing all good fidelity; that they may adorn the doctrine of God our Saviour in all things.

2Jo 1:9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.

I confess that my doctrine is so radically different than the Reformed in all things pertaining to the doctrine of man, salvation, God, the atonement, Christ, faith, reconciliation, determinism, sovereignty, the Holy Ghost and almost everything else in the scriptures, that if they are correct on these doctrines then I am in big trouble. We do not even agree concerning the scriptures themselves. We sure do not agree on the meaning of words and context and the power of the words. But, I am not wrong about these things. Praise God!