37818
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The call precedes election.
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Faith is the result of Election !
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Note the poster still is wanting to change the subject to my behavior.
Note the poster ignored the fact Abraham's faith, not Abraham himself, was credited as righteousness.
Since they did not receive mercy until the had lived without mercy, they were not chosen as individuals before creation, 1 Peter 2:9-10
Scripture tells us, members of the body of Christ, to speak clearly and plainly, such that our yes means yes, and our no means no. We are to work together to unpack the message of God's word, listening to others and studying for ourselves.
One view of scripture is individual election for salvation occurs during our physical lifetime, after we have lived without mercy. This view asserts Ephesians 1:4 refers to our corporate election, when God chose His redeemer, in Him He also chose corporately all those His redeemer would redeem.
There are several other views. Perhaps they should be compared and contrasted with the above view?
One view of scripture is individual election for salvation occurs during our physical lifetime, after we have lived without mercy. This view asserts Ephesians 1:4 refers to our corporate election, when God chose His redeemer, in Him He also chose corporately all those His redeemer would redeem.
There are several other views. Perhaps they should be compared and contrasted with the above view?
Silverhair
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Brightfame52
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God imputes our faith as righteousness, but He never, ever, at anytime imputes sinners to be perfect and righteous. I can cite Romans 5:19 to support being "made" righteous, but no verse will be cited which says a person was imputed as righteous.
Silverhair
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You are finally getting it Van. God imputes His righteousness to those that believe in His risen son. That is what I have been saying all along.
You have been saying those that have not believed in the Son had a righteous faith but biblically none are righteous before they trust in the Son.
"no verse will be cited which says a person was imputed as righteous."
Van what do you think this verse means?
Php 3:9 and be found in Him, not having my own righteousness, which is from the law, but that which is through faith in Christ, the righteousness which is from God by faith;
Was Paul righteous prior to trusting in Christ Jesus. Was his faith righteous? NO
His righteous is the imputed righteousness of God. {imputed: to attribute or ascribe} Just as righteousness was accounted to Abraham when he believed. Gal_3:6 just as Abraham "believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness."
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Silverhair
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But one is only elect if they are in Christ and if one is in Christ their sins are forgiven and they are saved so if your view is correct then why is faith necessary and also why was it necessary for Christ to go the cross? Biblically your view is not tenable.
37818
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That is a myth.
A choosing took place before the foundation of the world{mankind}
Brightfame52
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Brightfame52
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The election of grace has been in Christ before the foundation of the world. Gods Love is only in Christ
Brightfame52
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That's on you if you want to believe that
Romans 4:21 And being fully persuaded that, what he had promised, he was able also to perform.
22 And therefore it was imputed to him for righteousness.
23 ¶ Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it was imputed to him;
24 But for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead;
25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification
Silverhair
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Now why would anyone trust what you say when you do not even think that God is sovereign.
37818
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I believe what Ephesians 1:4, . . . According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, . . . says. You change it.
Silverhair
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They have to read into the verse so that it "supports" their view. But for some reason they do not see this as a problem.
Brightfame52
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That people Chosen in Christ before the foundation shall in due time hear the Gospel of their Salvation and believe Eph 1:4,13
4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
So again Election results in Faith
I say God credits the faith of some individuals as righteousness, but that does not result in the person becoming righteous by imputation.
I NEVER said the person "had a righteous faith!!!" Please, stick with what I say and stop rewriting my view. God credits some with righteous faith, deeming our worthless, filthy rag faith as righteous. He has mercy on us, not that we earned it by "our righteous faith."
I am so tired of the constant efforts to misrepresent me by folks who should know better.
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