Featured Does God Control Sin?

I agree with you insofar as the Reformed using "double speak".

Christ died for everybody. They redefine "whole world" as well.

BUT I was very clear that I was using YOUR definition of "control" as a verb, not a Reformed position.

We also have to recognize that the Reformed redefines "foreknown" to mean "decreed", orthwise we get into the problem between Calvinists and Arminians (decree vs ordain). But that's another discussion for when the OP has worked out its kinks.

Personally, I do not view God as making all thinks work for the good - or controlling events - as God controlling sin. But that was the definition you chose in the OP.

If you wanted a more neauanced form of that definition when applied to sin then you should have used one in your argument.

For example, you could have pointed out that you are strictly applying that definition to causing sin rather than events that are produced from, or create an environment form, sin.

You assumed I would take a Reformed stance to that definition, but I didn't. Quite the opposite - I wanted you to remove a reactionary assumption from your argument.



To clarify, I was strictly abiding by your definition as provided in the OP (the definition you provided that included events). My intent was not to argue with you (as I believe we agree) but to strengthen your argument because it was not fully correct as presented in the original post.

 

@Deacon has aptly shown where my problem is with the OP. It is in what you believe makes God the author of sin.

I'll await your comment on his post.

 

What passages lead you to believe that God authors sin?

I ask because I agree that God is sovereign over sin, but disagree that God Himself is a sinner (authors sin, or is the father of sin).

 

It also does not make God the Author of sin.

 

Connection has been odd here too. Very slow.

 

I agree that God does not do sin, but I disagree in that I do not believe God is the creator of sin.

James tells us how sin originates. God does not even tempt us to sin much less create sin.

That does not negate God does making all work for His purposes...even sin.

But we, not God, are responsible for creating our own sin.

 

Doubt it.