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looking away from all that will distract us and] focusing our eyes on Jesus, who is the Author and Perfecter of faith [the first incentive for our belief and the One who brings our faith to maturity], who for the joy [of accomplishing the goal] set before Him endured the cross, disregarding the shame, and sat down at the right hand of the throne of God [revealing His deity, His authority, and the completion of His work].

Hebrews 12.2

 

This verse points clearly to the physical as well as spiritual agony that Christ was undergoing. We are told that He sweat blood.
This is a condition called Hematohidrosis, a condition in which an individual sweats blood. It may occur in an individual who is suffering from extreme levels of stress where the capillary blood vessels that feed the sweat glands rupture, causing them to exude blood.
A Curious Case of Sweating Blood

The temptation Christ faced was to walk away from the cross, to find another way. In His submission to the will of the Father we have an example for us to follow when we are under trial.

 

Jesus did pray in the flesh about the agony ahead of suffering. My point is that He was not asking the Father not to go to the cross, the very reason He came into the world

 

If not that then what was He praying for?
Luk 22:42 Father, if you are willing, remove this cup from me;...

 

The Greek text does not say that. . . . εγενετο δε ο ιδρως αυτου ωσει θρομβο αιματος καταβαινοντες επι την γην . . . .

ωσει as if. Used 34 times in the NT.

 

I agree he became sin for us... He was nailed to the cross sinless... If he was nailed to the cross sinless, there was no sin in him, so our sin mine and yours had to be put on him... And there is scripture that says it was... Brother Glen

Isaiah 53:3 He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not.

4 Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.

5 But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.

6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.

 

No quite

This is reference to 2 Corinthians 5:21, "hamartian epoiēsen". "hamartian", here is the substantive, not the verb. Better, "to be treated as sin", or, "as though He has sinned"

It cannot mean, as in the KJV, which the previous words shows to be wrong. Paul says, "τὸν μὴ γνόντα ἁμαρτίαν", that is "Him Who knew no sin", which is the same as "SINLESS"

The "sinless" Jesus Christ did not "change into SIN", when on the Cross.

The Greek "ἱλαστήριος", which is sometimes translated as "propitiation" (Romans 3:25), is more correctly "sin-offrering", or "Mercy Seat", to "cover over sin"

 

In John 6:38, Jesus says, " "For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me"

It is clear that Jesus, as YHWH, knew full well what He had become Incarnate for, which was to Die on the Cross for the human race

Jesus Christ as the God-Man, in His "human nature", would have felt the "struggles", and was in real agony. However, as God, He knew what His Mission was. There is no hint here of any conflict between His will, and that of the Father.

Matthew says, "And He went a little beyond them, and fell on His face and prayed, saying, "My Father, if it is possible, let this cup pass from Me; yet not as I will, but as You will."

The "I will" is the "human will" in Jesus Christ.

The Death of Jesus Christ, like His Incarnation, is indeed a Great Mystery, which our limited minds will never understand

 

Hebrews 4:15, For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.

 

became ἐγένετο like ὡσεὶ drops θρόμβοι of blood αἵματος falling καταβαίνοντες to ἐπὶ the τὴν ground. γῆν. BSB

So what difference does that make to our understanding of the text.

became like drops of blood, falling down upon the ground. NASB

as it were great drops of blood falling down to the ground. KJV

became like great drops of blood falling down to the ground NKJV

became like drops of blood falling to the ground. BSB

His Sweat G846 P-GSM ὡσεὶ As G5616 ADV θρόμβοι Great Drops G2361 N-NPM αἵματος Of Blood G129 TRi

Christ's sweat looked like or as if it were drops of blood.

use of ὡσεὶ G5616 in KJV

Like 5
As 7
About 18
As it were 1
Like as 1
As it had been 2
As if 0

 

You have just agreed with what I was pointing out.

Christ in His humanity was in agony to the point of His sweat became as blood.

What do you think remove this cup refers to if not the crucifixion?

Yes as God He knew His destiny was the cross but in His humanity He was in dread of it thus the plea to find, if possible, some other way.
The fact that He is God did not lessen the agony that He would feel in His humanity.

 

The passage also addresses, indirectly, the idea there are ways to gain salvation other than faith in Jesus: Who He is and what He did.

If there were anyway for the “cup” of suffering to be removed, would God not do it? Why have Jesus suffer if there were another way?

In other words, if salvation is possible without ever hearing the gospel of Jesus, as some maintain, wasn’t His sacrifice unnecessary?

peace to you

 

That night being the 15th of the month the sweat falling on the dirt would look like clots of blood in the moon light.
So Luke 22:44, . . .and his sweat was as it were great drops of blood falling down to the ground. . . .
So not literally drops of blood. . . . ωσει . . . . ωσ as ει if

 

A few problems that I can see with your post. You are making your comments while ignoring scripture.

Christ went to the cross to cover the sins of all humanity 1Jn 2:2. Was there another way for the sins to be atoned for, NO. So that explains why He went to the cross.

You ask if it is possible for anyone to be saved without hearing the gospel of Christ Jesus. The biblical answer is, YES. Have you not read Heb 11, what has been called the Hall of Faith. Correct me if I am wrong but none of those mentioned heard the gospel of Christ Jesus did they? Are you saying that they were not saved?

If God could save those prior to the cross through faith in Him what stops Him from doing the same now, nothing. God is sovereign correct, so why do you insist on limiting what He can do?

God is still calling out to people through various means.be it creation, conviction of sin, even the gospel message. That is why we are told "Today, if you hear His voice, do not harden your hearts." Heb 4:7 Now faith is the assurance of what we hope for and the certainty of what we do not see. Heb 11:1 Do think that if one called out earnestly to God.that God would not answer?

God is sovereign He can do as He pleases and it pleases Him to save those that seek Him.

 

You are reading into the text what you want to find.

This is a condition called Hematohidrosis, a condition in which an individual sweats blood. It may occur in an individual who is suffering from extreme levels of stress where the capillary blood vessels that feed the sweat glands rupture, causing them to exude blood.

Are you saying that He was not in agony, anguish, under great stress? If His sweat had not been tainted with blood why would Luke have written it that way?

 

I do agree that some of the language that we have and use, even in our Bible translations, can be a problem, in trying to describe what really cannot be easily.

My main point being, that Jesus Christ as God knew fully what going to the Cross meant, as He had planned it from eternity past. He did not want to get way from what He had to do, His "human nature" felt the force of things more.