Justification by Faith !

[Brightfame52]

The condition is "FAITH", no faith no salvation.

The Gospel there is what God is going to do, nothing about man doing anything.

 

[Silverhair]

You promoting works salvation friend, Im explaining to you what JBF is.

Faith is not works. I'm explaining to you what the Holy Spirit says.

 

[Silverhair]

The Gospel there is what God is going to do, nothing about man doing anything.

You can continue to deny the truth of scripture all day long but it will not change the truth. But you are wrong again BF the condition is stated clearly.
Gal 3:8 The Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel beforehand to Abraham, saying, "ALL THE NATIONS WILL BE BLESSED IN YOU."

As I said no faith, no salvation.

 

[Brightfame52]

Faith is not works. I'm explaining to you what the Holy Spirit says.

You promoting works salvation

 

[Silverhair]

You promoting works salvation

You keep saying that but the bible disagrees with you, so I will stick with the bible.

 

[Brightfame52]

You can continue to deny the truth of scripture all day long but it will not change the truth. But you are wrong again BF the condition is stated clearly.
Gal 3:8 The Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel beforehand to Abraham, saying, "ALL THE NATIONS WILL BE BLESSED IN YOU."

As I said no faith, no salvation.

Again, the Gospel Promise to Abraham is what God had promised to do, to Justify the heathen through Faith Gal 3:8

8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.

Thats the Blessing, Justification through Faith. Both Justification and Faith are the Blessing promised, thats Abraham Spiritual Seed. The would be Abrahams children unless they are given Faith,

For Abraham was made the Father of the Faithful

Rom 4:11

And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had yet being uncircumcised: that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised; that righteousness might be imputed unto them also:

 

[Brightfame52]

You keep saying that but the bible disagrees with you, so I will stick with the bible.

You keep promoting works salvation, duh

 

[Van]

You wrong, "Justification by Faith is promised"

Again here is the Promise of the Gospel to Abraham Gal 3:8

8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.

No conditions friend

Repeating the non-germane does not alter scripture.

Galatians 3:8
The Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles based on God crediting their faith as righteousness, preached of the gospel beforehand to Abraham, saying, “ALL THE NATIONS WILL BE BLESSED IN YOU.”

Since according to Scripture, God justifies non-Jews based on their belief, part of that gospel was presented beforehand to Abraham promising that through Abraham, all peoples including non-Jews would be blessed.
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[Van]

The Greek preposition "ek" means out of or out from, and points to the origin of something. Out from faith refers to something based on faith, or more explicitly, based on God crediting our faith as righteousness. And what is that something? Salvation by being transferred into Christ where we undergo the washing of regeneration, rebirth as a new creation, and are then indwelt with the Holy Spirit. Thus all the blessings of salvation including justification can be said to be "based on faith.!"

Romans 1:17, "...But the righteous one will live based on faith." I think walking according to our (credited) faith is in view here rather than salvation's blessings.

Romans 3:30, "since indeed God who will justify the circumcised based on faith and the uncircumcised through faith is one." Here I think the idea is New Covenant faith arises from Old Covenant faith for Jews, and arises without prior faith in God for Gentiles.

Romans 4:16, "For this reason [the promises to Abraham's heirs] is based on faith, in order that it may be in accordance with grace, so that the promise will be guaranteed to all the descendants, not only to those who are of the Law, but also to those who are of the faith of Abraham, who is the father of us all,

Romans 5:1, "Therefore, having been justified based on God crediting our faith as righteousness, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ,

Romans 9:30, "What shall we say then? That Gentiles, who did not pursue righteousness, attained righteousness, moreover the righteousness that is based on God crediting their faith as righteousness.

Romans 9:32, "Why? Because they did not pursue it based on faith, but as though they could by works. They stumbled over the stumbling stone,

Galatians 3:22
But the Scripture has shut up everyone under sin, so that the promise based on God crediting our faith in Jesus Christ as righteousness might be given to those who believe.

Galatians 2:16
nevertheless knowing that a man is not justified based on the works of the Law but by means of Christ Jesus's faithfulness, even we have believed into Christ Jesus, so that we may be justified based on the faithfulness of Christ and not based on the works of the Law; since by the works of the Law no person will be justified.

Galatians 3:8
The Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles based on God crediting their faith as righteousness, preached the gospel beforehand to Abraham, saying, “ALL THE NATIONS WILL BE BLESSED IN YOU.”

Galatians 3:24
Therefore the Law has become our tutor to lead us to Christ, so that we may be justified based on God crediting our faith as righteousness.

Galatians 5:5
For we through the Spirit, based on God crediting our faith,as righteousness, are waiting for the hope of righteousness.

The opening conjunction (gar translated as "for") might better be translated as "The fact is," we through the Spirit....
Now I think the idea of through the Spirit refers to being indwelt. Those who are indwelt are the "we" of the verse. Then we get "out of faith" which is best translated based on God crediting our faith as righteousness, are expectantly waiting for the hope of our righteousness at the second coming of our Lord.

Romans 10:6
But the righteousness that is based on faith says: "Do not say in your heart, 'Who will ascend into heaven?'" (that is, to bring Christ down)

Justification is accomplished by the washing of regeneration (being made alive together with Christ) based on God crediting our worthless faith as righteousness and transferring us into Christ spiritually.
The washing of regeneration accomplishes the "circumcision of Christ" where the consequence of our sinful state and our past, present and future sins, are removed, taken out of the way and nailed on the cross so to speak, due to the faithfulness of Christ's sacrifice on the cross.

 

[Silverhair]

Again, the Gospel Promise to Abraham is what God had promised to do, to Justify the heathen through Faith Gal 3:8

8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.

Thats the Blessing, Justification through Faith. Both Justification and Faith are the Blessing promised, thats Abraham Spiritual Seed. The would be Abrahams children unless they are given Faith,

For Abraham was made the Father of the Faithful

Rom 4:11

And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had yet being uncircumcised: that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised; that righteousness might be imputed unto them also:

Finally you are starting to understand scripture. The person has to have a personal faith in God before God will save them.

 

[Silverhair]

You keep promoting works salvation, duh

That bromide is really getting old BF. You do seem to have a real problem with the truth. Your false claims are destroyed by the biblical text but you would not know that as you do not trust what the bible says.

 

[Brightfame52]

Repeating the non-germane does not alter scripture.

Galatians 3:8
The Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles based on God crediting their faith as righteousness, preached of the gospel beforehand to Abraham, saying, “ALL THE NATIONS WILL BE BLESSED IN YOU.”

Since according to Scripture, God justifies non-Jews based on their belief, part of that gospel was presented beforehand to Abraham promising that through Abraham, all peoples including non-Jews would be blessed.
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You adding to the scripture, it doesnt say anything about Justification based on Faith, God promised to Justify the heathen through Faith, Read Gal 3:8

8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.

Its not based upon Faith, Justification through Faith here is based upon what God promised to do. Its not condition of Faith, Faith is conditioned on Gods promise

 

[Brightfame52]

That bromide is really getting old BF. You do seem to have a real problem with the truth. Your false claims are destroyed by the biblical text but you would not know that as you do not trust what the bible says.

You condition salvation on your works. Thats a false way of salvation

 

[Brightfame52]

Finally you are starting to understand scripture. The person has to have a personal faith in God before God will save them.

You teaching merit /works Salvation.

 

[37818]

You teaching merit /works Salvation.

Do you really think Romans 4:4-5 merit by works?
. . . Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt. But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

 

[Silverhair]

You condition salvation on your works. Thats a false way of salvation

God's promise is that He would justify all those that put their faith in His risen Son. So I will just stick with scripture.

 

[Silverhair]

You teaching merit /works Salvation.

That is your opinion, The bible tells us the faith is the condition of salvation so if God does not consider it work then why should I?

 

[Brightfame52]

Do you really think Romans 4:4-5 merit by works?
. . . Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt. But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

That passage sets forth no conditions for man to perform to get saved

 

[Brightfame52]

God's promise is that He would justify all those that put their faith in His risen Son. So I will just stick with scripture.

False, Gods promise is to Justify the gentiles through Faith

Gal 3:8

8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.

God is active in performing what He promised, to Justify the Gentiles through Faith.

 

[Brightfame52]

That is your opinion, The bible tells us the faith is the condition of salvation so if God does not consider it work then why should I?

Thats your opinion, you condition salvation on your personal faith.

Something God seen in you, what you performed