Featured The Son of God has always been the LORD God.

I am not disagreeing with you but I do have a question. How do you understand Who or What the one we call Jesus was before His incarnation?
Jesus said that the Father is Spirit. So, was the Person we call Jesus also Spirit or something else?
My opinion is that He was exactly what scripture says He was. The Word. I believe He was the literal Spoken Word of God. God spoke and His Word carried out what was spoken.

 

" On this you are mistaken. The Word is a Person who is both someone other than God and is also the LORD God."

No, I am afraid it is YOU that is mistaken. The Word IS NOT "someone other than God."

 

Right. Mr. P. 37 was just 'over-speaking'
or something (misspeaking in the short analysis, etc.),
whatever you want to call it. He'll clarify.

Jesus has always been God's Expression of His Thoughts and Mind,
as The ETERNAL LOGOS, however, while Existing and Operating
in THE PERSON of The PreExistant Eternal Son of God.

SALVATION IS IN 'A PERSON'. THAT PERSON IS JESUS CHRIST.

HOW EDIFIED CAN YOU BE???
HOW DEEP CAN YOU GO???

from: https://www.monergism.com/thethreshold/sdg/gill/A_Body_of_Doctrinal_Divinity_-_John_Gill.pdf

26. Of the Unity of God. pg 252,
27. Of a Plurality on the Godhead;
or, A Trinity of Persons in the Unity of the Divine Essence. pg 261,
28. Of the Personal Relations; or, Relative Properties
Which Distinguish the Three Divine Persons in the Deity. pg 281,
29. Of the Distinct Personality, and Deity of the Father. pg 317,
30. Of the Distinct Personality, and Deity of the Son. pg 321,
31. Of the Distinct Personality, and Deity of the Holy Spirit. pg 332.

YES WE ARE.
1 In the beginning was the Word,
and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

2 The same was in the beginning with God.

3 All things were made by him;
and without him was not any thing made that was made.

And, in Proverbs 8,
we see Jesus was "by God the Father";

30a; "Then I was by Him",
"as One Nourished and 'Learned', so far as can be imagined
within the Dignity of Deity (they Counseled together, which is simply WISE);
30b; "as One brought up with Him":

and JESUS WAS GOD THE FATHER'S DAILY DELIGHT
30c; "and I was daily His delight",

AND HOW LONG HAS THE ETERNALLY GENERATED
PREEXISTANT LOGOS OF THE TRIUNE GODHEAD, JESUS CHRIST DELIGHTED HIS FATHER AND REJOICED BEFORE HIM??
30d; "rejoicing always before Him";

You see that word, "always", right?

So, does that tell you that there has NEVER BEEN A TIME
WHEN THE ETERNAL LOGOS, JESUS CHRIST,
WAS NOT ETERNALLY GENERATED FROM GOD THE FATHER,
IN CIRCUMSTANCES WHERE HE WAS ABLE TO DELIGHT THE FATHER
AND WHERE JESUS WAS ABLE TO ALWAYS "REJOICE" BEFORE HIM?

SAY, "YES".

Then, we can look how capitalizing God's Name and
the words for Jesus Christ, in red,
as being 'WHO THE WISDOM OF GOD IS' looks like to you;

22 The LORD possessed Me in the beginning of His way,
before His works of old.

23 I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning,
or ever the earth was.

24 When there were no depths, I was brought forth;
when there were no fountains abounding with water.

25 Before the mountains were settled,
before the hills was I brought forth:

26 While as yet He had not made the earth, nor the fields,
nor the highest part of the dust of the world.

27 When He prepared the heavens, I was there:
when He set a compass upon the face of the depth:

28 When He established the clouds above:
when He strengthened the fountains of the deep:

29 When He gave to the sea His decree,
that the waters should not pass his commandment:
when He appointed the foundations of the earth:

30 Then I was by Him, as one brought up with Him:
and I was daily His delight, rejoicing always before Him;

31 Rejoicing in the habitable part of His earth;
and My delights were with the sons of men.

32 Now therefore hearken unto Me, O ye children:
for blessed are they that keep My ways.

33 Hear instruction, and be wise, and refuse it not.
(Hear The Word of God, The Eternal Logos, Jesus Christ, that is.)

34 Blessed is the man that heareth Me,
watching daily at My gates, waiting at the posts of My doors.

35 For whoso findeth Me findeth Life,
and shall obtain favor of the LORD.
(from JESUS, THE SAVOUR).

 

Yes.

Remember 37818, that a possible grammatical interpretation
does not always make for a possible contextual interpretation.

You are not possibly going to have the article, "the",
added into these verses, I hope. That's False Jehovah's Witnesses stuff.

"The"?

"The"?

"The"?

πρὸς τὸν θεόν

“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, ...” —John 1:1.
According to this text, the Word was “with God:” Ἐν ἀρχῇ ἦν ὁ λόγος, καὶ ὁ λόγος ἦν πρὸς τὸν θεόν, καὶ θεὸς ἦν ὁ λόγος.

"(Greek: πρὸς τὸν θεόν, transliterates as: pros ton theon); that is, “with God.”

"Those not knowledgable of Greek idioms would see pros ton theon (with God) as meaning “face to face” with God (which meaning the Greek preposition “pros” does have: see 1 Corinthians 13:12), however, that would be a mistake.

"Here, “pros ton theon” should be understood as “pertaining to God.”

"A companion text is found in 1 John 1:2, (καὶ ἡ ζωὴ ἐφανερώθη, καὶ ἑωράκαμεν καὶ μαρτυροῦμεν καὶ ἀπαγγέλλομεν ὑμῖν τὴν ζωὴν τὴν αἰώνιον ἥτις ἦν πρὸς τὸν πατέρα καὶ ἐφανερώθη ἡμῖν. Here eternal life is said to πρὸς τὸν πατέρα); the clause: πρὸς τὸν πατέρα transliterates to pros ton patera, “with the Father;” it is understood, however, that “with the Father” means “pertains to the Father.”

"Eternal life “pertains to the Father.” No one understands eternal life to be a separate person that is “face to face” with the Father. So, then the Word of God pertains to God just as does eternal life. Moreover, according to our text the Word “was God.” Just as eternal life is an intrinsic part of God’s identity, so, too, is His Word."

"Not counting John 1:1, since that is the text under examination, only 24 times out of 723 does "pros" translate to "with" in the sense of one thing being along side of , or in the presence of another thing. While "pros" does seem to, on rare occasions, have the meaning of "alone side of" or "in the presence of" that is most certainly not its primary meaning or use.

"In fact, in other New Testament texts where the exact same phrase ("pros ton theon”) is used, the idea of "along side of" or "in the presence" is far from the meaning.

"Two of those texts are Hebrews 2:17 and Hebrews 5:1.

"In these places "pros ton theon" is not translated "with God", but is understood, and indeed translated, as "pertains to God".

"Hebrews 2:17, “Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.” πρὸς τὸν θεόν, “pros ton theon” pertaining to God

"Hebrews 5:1, “For every high priest taken from among men is ordained for men in things pertaining to God, that he may offer both gifts and sacrifices for sins:” πρὸς τὸν θεόν, “pros ton theon” pertaining to God..."

"Since the same phrase is used in Hebrews 2:17 and 5:1,
as is used in John 1:1, and there (in both Hebrews’ texts)
is translated “pertaining to God,”
it cannot, therefore, be a conclusive forgone proof
that “pros ton theon” means “with,”
in the sense of one person being with another person.

"In point of fact, the evidence tends to lean heavily in favor of the Monarchians’ understanding of “πρὸς τὸν θεόν” (pros ton theon) meaning: “pertaining to God.”

"The Word, then, of John 1:1, pertained to God,
as a man’s word pertains to himself."

The word Godhead appears three times in the King James Version of the New Testament (Acts 17:29; Rom. 1:20; Col. 2:9), and refers to the deity or divine nature of God.

When we take all that the Bible says on this subject, both from the Old and New Testaments, we learn that there is one deity or divine nature that is held by three persons—the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. All three of these persons are called God. All three of these persons are eternal. All three of these persons have divine power and divine nature. Together they make up the one God of the Bible. Does this suggest that there is more than one God? No!

There are three persons within the godhead, but they all have the same divine nature, and no one else has that divinity but them. The Father doesn’t have a different nature than the Son. The Son doesn’t have a different nature than the Spirit. The Spirit doesn’t have a different nature than the Father. They all have the same, one divine nature held by deity. So, there is one God.

 

I sure don't know where you get any of that.

I thought you'd just meant to say that Jesus was another Divine Person,
apart from the Person of God the Father, while they still
Possessed the Exact Same Essence and Eternal Nature,
with The Holy Spirit, also.

Then, there is this stuff, that makes Jesus not Eternal,
and, therefore, not God??? Is that what you're saying???

 

This is, for lack of any other way to go about saying it,
a 'Logical Fallacy', I would think, wouldn't it be to you, too?

Anytime for Anything 'to be in a position
where it is said to participate in "the CREATION(?) OF ITSELF(???).

You got me, again.

 

I never said that the Word was not God. Scripture is clear the Word was God. If you are seeing the Person that we call Jesus in human form before His incarnation, then I would disagree with you based on scripture. The scripture does not describe what we call the Trinity as Persons. The Trinity is what it is. We know Jesus as a person because the Word became flesh. I am simply stating that I accept that the Word, which is part of the Trinity and was God, was exactly what the term means. God spoke and the Word created.