Featured Will the LORD Actually Sit Upon the Throne of David in Zion Per Ps 132:11-18

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We sure have something that we can agree upon, kyredneck. We agree on what I have underlined above. Jesus Christ is the one God in three persons. He has the ability to function in three district and separate capacities yet still be one person. If he limits himself in one of those persons to the realm of a man like he has done, it does not mean he is no longer able to be everywhere at one time because he is equally the omnipresent Spirit of God. What it does mean is that he is limited to one place at one time as a man and that the Spirit dwells in his body giving the flesh life by his presence in it. Jesus, then is a threefold being both as a man and as God. He is body, soul, and Spirit, a physical and observable man. He is that today as he sits on the throne of God awaiting the time for him to arise and return to earth for his physical kingdom. But he is also God in these three persons, God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. Nothing has changed about the divinity of the Godhead but something has been added when God became flesh and was glorified. Now it is possible for us who are flesh to appear in the image of the son of God, by receiving his Spirit into our mortal bodies when we trust in Jesus Christ to wash our sins away. However, we will not be glorified in a body like his body until the resurrection and God gives us a body like unto his glorious body. This will be a body that will have the capacity to occupy the heavenlies and the ramifications of this is outside our present capacity to comprehend it. When this resurrection takes place we will have been separated from everything we received from Adam because it is eternal life, The Spirit of Christ, dwelling in a brand new body from God, able to stand in his presence. This making our Lord and savior Jesus Christ no less God than he has ever been but renewing the model of man before the fall, Adam in the garden.

I will give you two passages now of this division of function in the redemptive purposes of God as it relates to the formation of his church, which is his body and which is being formed IN THIS AGE,.

1 Cor 12:4 Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit. v

5 And there are differences of administrations, but the same Lord.

6 And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all.

The Spirit administers the power in the body by his presence in each member 1 -13
The Son administers the gifted members in the body as a cohesive one and directs it v 14-27
The Father is in charge of operations through it's offices - v28 - chapter 13:13

Secondly;

Rom 8:1

.There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

NOTE: being in Christ Jesus is the same as being in the church, which is the body of Christ that he is forming now. 1 Cor 12 as men gets saved

So, here is what each member of the Godhead is doing;

The Father
8:33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.- This is God the Father who justifies (present tense forever) those who are in Christ

The Son
34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.

The Spirit
11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

It is not the son who justifies you nor is the Spirit who died for you and rose again and it is not the physical person of Jesus Christ who indwells you yet it is one God who does all these things in perfect unison in his redemption of man. God is a trinity and so is the saved man. Man has had the image of God renewed through the new birth.

This is what God is doing now in this age while the King is away and Israel has been out of their land. God is able to do more than one thing in the earth and still be God. Soon the church will be complete and Jesus Christ will come for it and he will establish his kingdom on the earth with us, the church , ruling and reigning with him. That is what the wife does for her husband, she is his helpmeet.

 

David, the op is asking if Jesus Christ will actually sit on the throne of David as per Ps 132:11-18. This passage of scripture is dealing with TIME. You have moved the goal posts and have provided an answer that is dealing with ETERNITY. Between time and eternity there is a great event. After that event there is going to be an eternal NOW. There will be one day that will never end and all things will always be NEW. We have only two chapters in our 66 books of the Bible that is totally dedicated to inform us about that eventuality. It is Revelation chapter 21 and chapter 22. What is amazing to me is that during that day and in that new heaven and new earth there will be nations. The fact that nations will exist in eternity and that New Jerusalem will exist and there are 12 tribes of Israel there and 12 apostles of the LAMB , I think I am being told that both Israel and the church are in eternity together and that the rule of both and all comes from the city of the great King, Jerusalem.

But you were asked by Dave G about Zech 14 where there is NO DOUBT that is not a prophecy about eternity because there is time there. There is a threat of death for disobedience and the nations are commanded to appear at Jerusalem for the feast of tabernacles annually. There is rain there and a lack of rain when men disobey. This is not eternity and the final enemy, death, has not been swallowed up in victory and eliminated from the earth at this time.However, Jesus Christ is sitting on the throne of David and the rule over all the world is from Jerusalem.

Here is the great event between time and eternity.

2 Pe 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

The day of God is the eternal day.

Re 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

Revelation 22:5
And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light: and they shall reign for ever and ever.

The trinity will be there on the thone because God is one in three and three in one. The Spirit will be there because the Spirit indwells the body of Christ who will be there and will be indwell the Father and the Son.

Rev 22:1And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb and we will know him in that way in eternity.
2 In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.
3 And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him:
4 And they shall see his face; and his name shall be in their foreheads.
5 And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light: and they shall reign for ever and ever.

Eph 2:19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;
20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;
21 In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:
22 In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.

Most Baptists seem to blow over these words as if they have no heavenly context and are words without real meaning. This temple is an eternal temple for the Spirit.

What God is doing in time is preparation for eternity where only believers will dwell.

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Explain that please. I will bet your education is better than you are demonstrating, Martin. These metaphors of chapter 4 would make no sense without the history of Israel under the law of Moses which was a form of bondage and servanthood that was ended after faith came in the fullness of the time setting them free from the law. It would be out of place without chapter 3.If the time was full, yet time continued, then there was a different time from that point. These people in these churches in Galatia were by and large the people who had been dispersed out of their land some 700 years before by the Assyrians. Paul knew this and it is the reason he is using these types of metaphors.

24 Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar. (Hagar, the Egyptian slave)

 

Martin, I so appreciate you calling attention to God's penchant for typifying his prophetic and future truths in historical people and events and places and things. If we understand that God does this in everything then we could be looking in the OT for a confirmation of our NT doctrines. We know now this is the reason Solomon says there is nothing new under the sun. However, knowing that, it is important to study the types all the way through the scriptures because there is consistency in those types. I think in your comments you are making a misapplication to some of what you claim.

No, there are two natures of Abraham, a "natural" and a spiritual just like every man born into the world. A man is born of the flesh by a woman and without a spiritual nature unless and until he is born again. All of our Bible narratives is designed to teach us this truth. But, Abraham is viewed by God as more than a man. He is viewed as a family and by extension as a nation.

I can prove that in many places but I will give you just one for now. Bear with me.

Ex 4:21 And the Lord said unto Moses, When thou goest to return into Egypt, see that thou do all those wonders before Pharaoh, which I have put in thine hand: but I will harden his heart, that he shall not let the people go.
22 And thou shalt say unto Pharaoh, Thus saith the Lord, Israel is my son, even my firstborn:
23 And I say unto thee, Let my son go, that he may serve me: and if thou refuse to let him go, behold, I will slay thy son, even thy firstborn.

This is Israel, the collective son of God, his firstborn who is of the flesh. Nothing has changed through history about how God views his son. He has made provisions for him to be born again, BUT, he has not been born again at this particular time in history. But God cannot fail. He will be born again collectively at some point in our future.

In John 3, this collective son, Israel (Prince with God) is in view.

Jn 3:4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.

You say, well I don't believe that. You say God does not function in a collective yet the church of Jesus Christ is a collective one of many members whom God dwells in both individully and collectively. The members being only those who have personal salvation. In Abraham's case in Gen 17, the skin of the foreskin represents the flesh birth and to be in the family of God and in relationship with God, the foreskin must be cut away.

Now, nothing is ever going to change the fact that Ismael was born of Hagar. It was a natural birth while God was far away. The foreskin proves it. Yet, Ishmael is in the family of Abraham when he willingly allows circumcision. This teaches us that all men are iin the one family of man initially, but God has made a way for that to change. He can have the faith of Abraham, who was first to receive circumcision. This does not however put him into the family of Israel. That is a particular birth that comes through Sarah and is a miraculous birth that has nothing to do with the ability of the flesh. It is of God as all new births are.

Look at this:
Acts 17:24 God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands;
25 Neither is worshipped with men's hands, as though he needed any thing, seeing he giveth to all life, and breath, and all things;
26 And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation;
27 That they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us:
28 For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.
29 Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device.

Paul spoke these words to a hodge-podge of nationalities in the Greek city of Athens.

Abraham is a picture of God the Father in this scenario. Ismael is of another nation because of the mother but still can be in the family of Abraham if he meets the requirement, circumcision. because he is the offspring (not of a marriage relationship of Abraham.. Abraham has not produced a son through Sarah, to whom he was married these many years. Yet, Sarah conceived Isaac, a picture of the firstborn son of God, the very first time after he was circumcised, something he could not do in all of those years through the flesh.

There is only one nation who has both a personal and collective relationship with God through a marriage and that nation is Israel. Israel is his son and he loves Israel enough to die for him so he can redeem him. But, his redemption must be as his physical birth, every one of them. Israel is not born again yet, even now, but he will purge out all those who refuse the circumcision of heart and refine them as silver is refined, 7 times, and dwell with them forever in the land that he promised to them nationally.

Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them (for the antecedent of them see V22), Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. (salvation = the new birth)

Acts 3:22 For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you.
23 And it shall come to pass, that every soul, which will not hear that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people. (this is not an empty promise and it has not happened in history yet)


I have just touched on this typology but it is true. The Bible is a spiritual book as well as a phycial book. There are things God will teach us but we must bow our knee and heart to him.

It is not good to teach that typelogy dismisses all the promises to this collective son who was born of Sarah.

 

Abraham is likewise the beginning of the people of Israel. They originated as a people in Abraham. As a metaphor, Abraham is God always in scripture. He is a figure of no one else. Jesus Christ, the miraculous son, came from Abraham through Sarah. You must understand that a parallel is established between Israel and Jesus Christ in the prophetic word. If you do not understand you will flounder like a swimmer in deep water with a cramp in both legs.

You omitted two important words, "in Christ." Christians are a son of Abraham only in the fact that Christ is a son of Abraham and a son of God at the same time. Reason and logic must rule here. If Christians are one with one another and with Christ when we are put IN HIM, that is being put in in his body, then we are both a son of God by virtue of being in him and since he is the son of God, so are we because God is in us because God is in him.

Abraham has never been and will never be "in him," even at his resurrection.

There! You got it right in this quote. ( You are demonstrating why I do not want someone translating my Bible that will leave doctrines out by leaving words out). You have included the words "'in Christ" this time. Thank you.

Martin, I am sorry but you have not kept up. The Moses Covenant of law was not a covenant of promise. It is a covenant of condemnation and it was a temporary addendum to the eternal and everlasting covenant of Abraham. The whole purpose of the Moses covenant was to convince Israel that they cannot be justified by their works and this would prepare their hearts for the New Covenant where their sins can be washed away forever and they can enter into the physical promises of the Abrahamic Covenant as a people and a nation, and a family. You should have noticed when Jesus came to Israel he established the political officers in advance, and intended the religious officers to come from the "strangers" whom the writers addressed in the Jewish Christian epistles.

1 Peter 2:9
But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light;

I am not going into the ramifications here but I will prove without a doubt the relationship between the Abrahamic covenant of promise and the added Moses Covenant of law. It will take only three verses if you will believe the context of Ga 3. Follow along.

17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after (after the Abrahamic covenant), cannot disannul (the Abrahamic), that it should make the promise (the Spirit) of none effect. (the blessing of promise is the Spirit of life)
18 For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.
19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.

Faith came when Jesus Christ came because that is how the promise is received. Faith had not come until the New Covenant in his blood came. Think! the blood covering gives the remission of sins, never to be counted against the covered again.

I challenge you to prove that. The scriptures do not say it. It says that Abraham was justified by believing what God said to him. Read Roms 4 for the full argument. Abraham knew Jesus as Adonai Jehovah, the Lord GOD (Ge 15:2) . when he was justified by his faith. He did not know the name of Jesus.

The church of Jesus Christ is not a nation, it is a body. A family.

Abraham is a figure of God, Isaac is a figure of Jesus, and Jacob is a figure of the Holy Spirit in scripture
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If that is true then the Abrahamic Covenant has been made of none effect.

History played out with those of Israel rejecting their Messiah and his salvation, but a remnant of them, and this remnant made up the foundation of the gentile church while God sets the stage for his keeping the Abrahamic promises to Israel. He must do that because the covenant is "immutable" to use his word.

Throw those books that you have been reading away and believe God.

Exodus 2:25
And God looked upon the children of Israel, and God had respect unto them.

Leviticus 26:9
For I will have respect unto you, and make you fruitful, and multiply you, and establish my covenant with you.

 

Try this promise on for size and see what you think, even if you do not believe that Abraham will be resurrected from the dead and will live forever.

Gen 13
14 ¶ And the LORD said unto Abram, after that Lot was separated from him, Lift up now thine eyes, and look from the place where thou art northward, and southward, and eastward, and westward:
15 For all the land which thou seest, to thee will I give it, and to thy seed for ever.
16 And I will make thy seed as the dust of the earth: so that if a man can number the dust of the earth, then shall thy seed also be numbered.(has there ever been that great a number of seed of Abraham on the earth?)
17 Arise, walk through the land in the length of it and in the breadth of it; for I will give it unto thee.
18 Then Abram removed his tent, and came and dwelt in the plain of Mamre, which is in Hebron, and built there an altar unto the LORD.

Tell me again how this Abrahamic covenant has been fulfilled when there has been three dispersions of Israel from this land. Are you saying God will keep all his words except the two little words "for ever?"

Are you sure you believe the same Bible I am believing?

It does not matter if God gave the land to Abraham six or seven times and he lost it each time, it is not a fulfillment of the promise. When he gets to keep it forever is the fulfillment of the promise.