Yes, I'm sure my behavior is unacceptable. Just disregard everything I said, you'll feel better.
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Charles Stanley and Calvinism
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Yes, I'm sure my behavior is unacceptable. Just disregard everything I said, you'll feel better.
You make yourself a god.
I am merely man (and you also) and can either trust Him or not. I don’t have to worry about getting old and having dementia and forgetting myself out. You deny the power of Christ’s work and crucify the Son of God afresh by retaining your own sin until you commit it. There are not multiple ways. He that hath the Son hath life. And he that hath not the Son hath not life. It’s that simple. The Holy Spirit is the ernest of our inheritance. He is our pledge, our guarantee, our promise of better to come.
And God gives us the choice.
Do you know why our Lord instituted the Lord's Supper?
To remember the Blood He shed for us, and His body that was nailed to that Cross for our sins.
To remember that your faith is in Him so that you don't get carried away to apostasy.
And you're to keep remembering that your entire life.
Well, since you can't lose your salvation, you have nothing to worry about.
You won't be one of these,
2 Peter 3:17
“Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.”
Maybe you don't know what "being led away with the error of the wicked" means.
It means being led away from the faith in Christ into the error with the wicked.
Being found in the end without the faith in Christ needed to enter into the Kingdom of God.
Have you ever noticed that many things in Scripture are not spelled out perfectly to our liking and understanding?
Wonder why that is?
That is why we need to be careful not to add in (or take away) anything to make it fit our liking.
The why I would say is because we do have our own will and God didn’t ask us how He should set everything up.
One more important reason to take Scripture as our guide instead of making our own guide out of Scripture.
But I suppose that there are people who don’t want to believe what the Bible says and seeing they see not. They would rather believe what it doesn’t say and add in their private interpretation.
The why I would say is because we do have our own will and God didn’t ask us how He should set everything up.
One more important reason to take Scripture as our guide instead of making our own guide out of Scripture.
But I suppose that there are people who don’t want to believe what the Bible says and seeing they see not. They would rather believe what it doesn’t say and add in their private interpretation.
Dr Stanley worst held belief was probably this
1.1 Millennial Exclusion/Kingdom Exclusion
It basically teaches that after the death of the carnal Christians that were not raptured, God will send them to the "outer darkness", which is interpreted as hell. Such Christians will spend a literal 1,000 years being chastised (disciplined) by God.
So a type of Baptist purgatory view
Silverhair
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What are you basing that comment on?
I have listened to him for a number of years and never heard that one before.
Its something that he held to, as got him into trouble with SBC
Silverhair
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Here is a link to a post that checked with In touch ministries:
Silverhair
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You do know that he was the president of SBC twice.
Is that something you know for sure or is it just something you heard?
If you know for sure than can you provide the link to the information.
If there is a reference to Charles Stanley believing in M.E. I can't find it. If you, or anyone, can provide such, please do so.
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From oldie but goodie Baptist Board discussion
STANLEY ERROR -- Further evidence on the Overcomer error is reflected in Dr. Stanley's book entitled Eternal Security, Oliver-Nelson Books, 1990:
To be in "outer darkness" is to be in the kingdom of God but outside the circle of men and women where faithfulness on this earth earned them special rank and position of authority [emphasis his] (p. 126).
Now imagine standing before God and seeing all you have lived for reduced to ashes. How do you think you would feel? How do you think you would respond? Picture yourself watching saint after saint rewarded for faithfulness and service to the King--and all the time knowing that you had just as many opportunities but did nothing about them.
We cannot conceive of the agony and frustration we would feel if we were to undergo such an ordeal; the realization that our unfaithfulness had cost us eternally would be devastating. And so it will be for many believers.
Just as those who are found faithful will rejoice, so those who suffer loss will weep. As some are celebrated for their faithfulness, others will gnash their teeth in frustration over their own shortsightedness and greed (p. 127).
This falls short of saying that people who have been slothful Christians will spend 1000 years in hell.
I don’t see the teaching there.
I don’t see that outer darkness has anything to do with believers. But if you believe that people are forced to do certain things and are determined to do certain things, what kind of discussion do you expect. You would not be able to believe (speaking of compatibility and not strictly ability) that God has given every man something (himself and all the things in this world that he temporarily has power and possession of) that he will give an account for. It really is quite simple. If we come God’s way, He offers salvation. But I don’t see how anything is accomplished either way if God ordained people to go to the lake of fire and ordained others to the so-called “Baptist Purgatory.” If people are forced to do either, then God is the creator of evil and wills it. If you would listen to the teachings of Jesus you would know that a house divided against itself cannot stand. Jesus taught that he did not will or encourage wickedness.
Silverhair
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Well I see that you did not bother to go to the link I provided. When they contacted In Touch and they did a search they could not find where Stanley had supported that view. There conclusion and one that seems to be logical is that it was an editing error on pg 127.
But you seem to want to jump to a view that is most likely from an error rather than look at his over all messages that stand in opposition to that view.
Why is that?
Do you have the actual book?