Brightfame52
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That's your opinion you entitled to it
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Arminianism
- Thread starter KenH
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Which non Hyper Calvinist ever held to that viewpoint then of eternal justification?
Brightfame52
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Search for it
Brightfame52
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Conditionalism
We grant that God has decreed the end and the means, and whatsoever God has decreed shall unavoidably come to pass; but we deny that faith is any means of our Redemption, Justification, or Salvation. Nothing but the Lord Jesus Christ is the means of our salvation. There are means that are necessary to the revealing and enjoying the comfort of it, as the Holy Spirit and ministers to reveal it and faith to receive it; also, there be fruits and effects of the love of God, as faith, love, and obedience to Christ - yet these are no means of our salvation. Samuel Richardson {Justification by Christ Alone, 1647}
Silverhair
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So what you have shown just shows that Samuel Richardson did not understand his bible very well.
Or perhaps he did not have these verses in his copy.
Rom 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek.
Rom 5:1 Therefore, having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ,
Rom 5:2 through whom also we have obtained our introduction by faith into this grace in which we stand; and we exult in hope of the glory of God.
Rom 10:9 that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved;
Rom 10:13 for "WHOEVER WILL CALL ON THE NAME OF THE LORD WILL BE SAVED."
Eph 1:13 In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation—having also believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise,
Eph 2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith;
It would seem you have hitched your wagon to the wrong horse BF.
Only God saves but He only saves those that believe in/have faith in Him.
@Brightfame52
Read this verse, we are sealed with the Holy Spirit AFTER we believe.
I didn't say it, Paul said it!
Eph. 1:13
"In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,"
Read this verse, we are sealed with the Holy Spirit AFTER we believe.
I didn't say it, Paul said it!
Eph. 1:13
"In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,"
Brightfame52
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@Silverhair
It shows other godly men knew the truth of faiths role in salvation, and didnt corrupt it like men do and make it a condition of the flesh.
It shows other godly men knew the truth of faiths role in salvation, and didnt corrupt it like men do and make it a condition of the flesh.
Brightfame52
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Yeah that applies to the elect of Vs 4 in the context. and their faith came from the Holy Spirit who sealed them. This scripture has nothing to do with the non elect Christ didnt redeem Vs 7
Silverhair
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As the bible says "Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for unless you believe that I am He, you will die in your sins." Joh_8:24
How much clearer could God have made it BF. "By grace you are saved through faith" We do not save ourselves so we can not boast. God only saves those the have believed not so they will believe as your false religion has posited.
What were you elected for, BF. Just show me that in Scripture.
We need to get this election stuff understood before you can get anything else right.
Brightfame52
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Nothing about conditions
Brightfame52
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Eph 1:13 is about the chosen of God, look at Eph 1:4
He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, to be saved? Is that what it says?
No, it does not! We were chosen "that we should be Holy and without blame before Him in Love."
How does He do that, tap you on the shoulder and it's done?
There's this thing called God's plan of redemption that makes you holy and without blame before Him.
That's what you were chosen for, if you accept Him.
The same in Rom. 8, "You were predestined to be conformed in the image of God, not to be saved.
Again here, Paul is speaking of being chosen and predestined to God's plan of redemption.
God didn't pick who would be saved and who wouldn't, that's blasphemy.
What he picked for you and predestined you for is His plan of redemption to be conformed in the image of Christ, and that you should be holy and blameless before Him. All of it done through His plan of redemption He chose for us before the foundation of the world.
Silverhair
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Now I know you can not have such a limited reading comprehension skill that you can not see the condition in this sentence, or at least you have that ability.
for unless you believe [the condition]
that I am He, [what you must believe]
you will die in your sins. [the consequence for not believing]
You are being willfully blind, you are acting as a false teacher and will suffer the consequences of such.
Brightfame52
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Eph 1:13 isn't about mankind in General, only for them who had been chosen in Christ b4 the foundation of the world. Eph 1:4 and Paul was showing how the Gospel of their Salvation was heard [spiritually] and believed. So Eph 1:13 is limited to the elects experience.
Its not adding a condition to salvation though, as we must receive Jesus as Lord and Savior thru faith to receive justification, but truth is that the Holy Spirit Himself grants to His own elect that gift of saving faith
Brightfame52
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Thats adding a condition.
Not when its the ordained way from God
Brightfame52
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Its not of God to condition salvation on man. He conditioned it on the shoulders of Christ alone and for a specific chosen people.