We enter into that grace by faith (Romans 5:1-2), thus "through" faith Ephesians 2:. The life begins when we receive the Spirit of God. Made alive together with Christ happens when we receive the Holy Spirit. With the Spirit, we are His, without the Spirit, we are not (Romans 8:9-11). The Spirit is given as a result of faith (Gal. 3:2-3). The life spoken of is all a gift from God, it's from the Spirit, thus it is not of the flesh.
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No person can come to Christ by their own freewill !
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Silverhair
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They are not preforming a spiritual action BF. They are trusting the gospel message that was presented.
Silverhair
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Where do you get these silly ideas BF. They do not have to hear spiritually, they just have to hear and respond.
Silverhair
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Then you have a problem with Christ. Paul would have a few words for you also. And lets not forget John.
Brightfame52
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Yes those are spiritual actions, for instance one must be of God to hear the words of God Jn 8:47
47 He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.
The natural man as Jesus told these jews, cannot hear Gods word or understand it spiritually Jn 8:43
43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.
Brightfame52
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Yes they are. Natural man cannot perform
Brightfame52
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They silly to you, but its the Truth of God
Silverhair
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BF the more you write the sadder it is. You refuse to read the word of God in context thus you do not understand what we are being told.
If you had done that you would know what Christ was saying. He is speaking of the people accepting what He says or rejecting what He says.
It is all about one exercising their free will BF. Just as you are doing when you reject the truths of God's word and come up with your our special interpretation.
Brightfame52
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To be of God means to be saved, thats who it is given to hear Gods word
Silverhair
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Thankfully most Christians are not as deluded as you are BF.
You cherry pick verses and have used them to construct a false narrative of the word of God.
That you think you are being biblical is your choice but that others may actually think what you say is the biblical truth and fall for your false views is the most disturbing to me.
Brightfame52
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Jesus tells us who it is that Hears the word of God, what does He say ? Jn 8:47
47 He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.
Brightfame52
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John 8:47 (KJB)He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God. Heareth and hear - Hearing with spiritual understanding Words (rhema) - Discourse, declaration, command, or promise Here Jesus tells them plainly that the reason that the Jews will not hear the words of God is because they do not possess the spiritual ears which accompanies a person who is saved. The only way we can hear and truly understand the Gospel is by being saved and when a person is saved, they belong to God. These Jews were unsaved and did not belong to God because three verses back Jesus told them plainly that they were of their father the devil. Those who are in Satan’s camp cannot hear the word of God, one must be qualified to hear them and that qualification comes through salvation in Christ alone. This also brings up another point that those who think they can work their way to Heaven will not be able to. The ones who work are hearing the word of God physically but they are not understanding it spiritually which opens up the true meanings of Scripture.
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Silverhair
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BF if you go back to
Joh 8:13 So the Pharisees said to Him, "You are testifying about Yourself; Your testimony is not true."
you will see that Jesus is speaking to the Jews. They should have know who He was as they had the scriptures that pointed to Him.
It was not that they could not hear [understand] it was that they would not accept that He was their long awaited Messiah.
You keep making logical errors.
You are saying that no one can hear the words of God as no one is of God until they are saved and you will not be saved until to hear and believe the gospel message.
You do not think through what you are saying BF so you continue to make illogical comments.
Silverhair
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Think through what you just wrote BF.
Note your words BF "they do not possess the spiritual ears which accompanies a person who is saved."
The only way a person can hear and believe is if they have your so called "spiritual ears" but they cannot have those spiritual ears until they are saved. So no one can be saved as no one has those special ears.
The sad part is that you do not even see the error in your thinking.
Brightfame52
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Jesus tells us who it is that Hears the word of God, what does He say ? Jn 8:47
47 He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.
Brightfame52
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I didnt write it, I provided the link to who wrote it.
Silverhair
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BF you continue to make the same mistake over and over. Look at who Jesus was speaking to. The context of the conversation will clear up many of you mistakes.
The Jews claimed to love God but their rejection of Jesus showed that they in fact did not. They were not of God.
The verse does not tell us that you have to be of God before you can hear and respond to the gospel message if that is what you are suggesting.
Silverhair
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If you did not agree with it then why did you post it?
But either way the comment is still true.
Think through what you linked to BF.
Note your words BF "they do not possess the spiritual ears which accompanies a person who is saved."
The only way a person can hear and believe is if they have those so called "spiritual ears" but they cannot have those spiritual ears until they are saved. So no one can be saved as no one has those special ears prior to being saved.
Brightfame52
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The man or women who comes to Christ, doesn't come by their own freewill ability, because naturally man is spiritually dead and without any spiritual life and ability. However when the Father draws one to Christ, He begins by giving them life, spiritual life. The drawing indicates life has been given.
See coming denotes motion and motion denotes living'
The word draw denotes to impel to impart motion to, which motion is life, spiritual life 2
See coming denotes motion and motion denotes living'
The word draw denotes to impel to impart motion to, which motion is life, spiritual life 2
Brightfame52
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Listen to Jesus, youll be the wiser. Now who does He specify that hears the words of God ? Take a deep breath and read Jn 8:47
47 He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.