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Rightly dividing 2 Thessalonians 2:13

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Charlie24

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canadyjd said:
You seem to be a very angry man. We are discussing God’s Word and instead of attempting to understand a different point of view you become insulting and sarcastic and insinuate I worship a different God because we disagree.

It is very sad to see a professing Christian engage in such behavior.

Peace to you
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Don't let it be said I'm not sociable, we can talk about the weather, what you're going to plant in your garden next spring, or maybe sports.

But the Scripture, nah, that's not for us.
 
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canadyjd

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Charlie24 said:
Don't let it be said I'm not sociable, we can talk about the weather, what you're going to plant in your garden next spring, or maybe sports.

But the Scripture, nah, that's not for us.
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Well that’s too bad. If Christians cannot discuss scripture in a civil manner, what must the lost think of us?

Peace to you
 
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Van

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canadyjd said:
As always, you ignore key phrases in the passage to make it fit your belief.

The passage does not say we are “chosen” through faith in the truth. The passage says we were chosen by God from the beginning for salvation..

Paul them elaborates on how salvation occurs… through sanctification by God Holy Spirit and faith in the truth. Paul is not addressing how the choosing occurs. That idea is mangling the Word of God to force pre conceived bias into the passage.

The only time, that I can find, that scripture tells us “why” we are chosen is that is because of the kind intention of God’s will.

Only God gets the glory for our salvation.

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That is the CALVINIST REWRITE, changing salvation a Greek noun, into saved, a Greek verb!!!!!!!! They charge others with their malfeasance.
 
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Van

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th1bill said:
Van, the best thing man has done to the scriptures is also the very most dangerous. The, so called, Books of the Holy Scriptures are not books and these letters, inspired by Yehovah God, do not have chapters and verses. The last four words of these seven are in violation of the command to neither add nor to subtract from the Word of God. And you are trying to intellectualize what our Creator has had recorded? Even a Simple Man understands the first three words and comprehends their meaning.
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Sir, your view is from the beginning "of the Creation." which adds and is in violation. If you say, they are "understood," then so are mine. Your defense of falsehood is obvious and absurd. You did not either grasp or respond to the fact no one was chosen by being set apart in Christ before Christ died, therefore "from the beginning" must refer to the from the beginning of the New Covenant.
 
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Brightfame52

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Charlie24 said:
Yea, that sounds like that Calvinist God.
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Its the God of the scripture. Nobody asked to exist, God caused you and me to exist for His purpose, we weren't consulted our will meant nothing in the matter; And it goes for everyone, and the people who He knew that would all their lifetime continue in unbelief, and die in their sins and suffer eternal torment, He chose for them to do just that, Its His will they came into existence to suffer that destiny.
 
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Charlie24

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Brightfame52 said:
Its the God of the scripture. Nobody asked to exist, God caused you and me to exist for His purpose, we weren't consulted our will meant nothing in the matter; And it goes for everyone, and the people who He knew that would all their lifetime continue in unbelief, and die in their sins and suffer eternal torment, He chose for them to do just that, Its His will they came into existence to suffer that destiny.
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Sovereignty taken to extremes.

I read in the Scripture of a God that so loved the world He gave...

A God long suffering with man not willing that any should perish.

But you see what you see.
 
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Brightfame52

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Van said:
You did not either grasp or respond to the fact no one was chosen by being set apart in Christ before Christ died, therefore "from the beginning" must refer to the from the beginning of the New Covenant
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False, men were set apart for salvation in Christ from the foundation of the world
having their names written in the book of life from the foundation Rev 13:8

8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

That book contains the names of the individuals Christ was to come into the world and be slain for their sins This book of names was determined b4 Christ died in time
 
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Brightfame52

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Charlie24 said:
Sovereignty taken to extremes.

I read in the Scripture of a God that so loved the world He gave...

A God long suffering with man not willing that any should perish.

But you see what you see.
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Apparently youve read a lot of things you dont understand. So whose will was it for a person to exist and end up in hell for their sins ?
 
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Brightfame52

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Van said:
You did not either grasp or respond to the fact no one was chosen by being set apart in Christ before Christ died,
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Thats false God the Father set apart men and preserved them in Christ b4 they were called in time Jude 1:1

1 Jude, the servant of Jesus Christ, and brother of James, to them that are sanctified[set apart] by God the Father, and preserved in Jesus Christ, and called
 
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Charlie24

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Brightfame52 said:
Apparently youve read a lot of things you dont understand. So whose will was it for a person to exist and end up in hell for their sins ?
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It's never been God's will for anyone to perish, man chose that for himself.

Even the example of Pharaoh when God hardened his heart, it was the result of God's foreknowledge knowing he he would rebel to the end.

It was not God' will for him to perish, but God did make an example of him as a standard of rebellion.
 
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Brightfame52

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Charlie24 said:
It's never been God's will for anyone to perish,
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So did God know before He created the people that shall perish in their sins, that if He created them they would live their entire life without repentance and faith in Christ and die and go to hell, but chose to create them anyway Yes or no
 
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JD731

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Brightfame52 said:
So did God know before He created the people that shall perish in their sins, that if He created them they would live their entire life without repentance and faith in Christ and die and go to hell, but chose to create them anyway Yes or no
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God did not create but one man and one woman. From that point on, all humanity was generated.

Genesis 5:1
This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him;

The trinitarian image of the nations came through Noah

Genesis 6:9
These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God.

Genesis 10:1
Now these are the generations of the sons of Noah, Shem, Ham, and Japheth: and unto them were sons born after the flood.

Genesis 10:32
These are the families of the sons of Noah, after their generations, in their nations: and by these were the nations divided in the earth after the flood.

The earth was populated by natural laws and you have a say in it. God will save as many as you produce, if they will believe in him.
 
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Brightfame52

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JD731 said:
God did not create but one man and one woman. From that point on, all humanity was generated.
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So did God know before He created the people that shall perish in their sins, that if He created them they would live their entire life without repentance and faith in Christ and die and go to hell, but chose to create them anyway Yes or no, you know what I mean
 
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Brightfame52

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JD731 said:
God will save as many as you produce, if they will believe in him.
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Did God know before the individual was born whether or not they would live their entire life in sin and without ever believing in Christ and die and go to helll ? Yes or no Then answer this, whose will was it that the individual be born into this life ?
 
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