Brightfame52
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You asked me a question and I answered it with Jn 8:47. Now what does Jesus say about who it is that hears His words?
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Where Did Our Faith Come From?
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Silverhair
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Well BF it just shows that you cherry pick verses that you think support your view but actually do not support it.
Joh 8:47 is not spoken to those that are saved as Christ was the one speaking to the Scribes and Pharisees.
The Scribes and Pharisees rejected the truth that Christ was telling them Joh 8:45 "But because I speak the truth, you do not believe Me."
You say could not the bible says would not.
Perhaps you should actually trust the word of God.
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Ben1445
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You are willingly blind.
Brightfame52
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What does Jesus say as to who hears His words in Jn 8:47 ?
Don't be ashamed of his words Mark 8:38
Whosoever therefore shall be ashamed of me and of my words in this adulterous and sinful generation; of him also shall the Son of man be ashamed, when he cometh in the glory of his Father with the holy angels.
Ben1445
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Answer me this.
Why are they not of God?
Ben1445
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Why does Jesus use the word if in verse 24?
There is no if in BFology.
Brightfame52
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They lost. So now you know a lost person can't hear the word of God.
Brightfame52
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I have not mentioned that. Do your own study, don't ask me to study for you
Ben1445
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It doesn’t say that in verse 47.
Ben1445
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There is the rest of the counsel of Scripture that you have not mentioned. Not only not mentioned, but avoided.
I have tried to tell you to vary your own study not do mine.
But you are never wrong. I can see that by everything you say. No one can suggest anything to you. You have the perfect one track mind.
Brightfame52
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You of God or not
Brightfame52
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Deal with the counsel of scripture I gave you. I'm not here to do your work
Ben1445
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I’m trying to help you do yours a bit more circumspectly.
Brightfame52
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You can't refute anything I've said so far
Brightfame52
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That's idolatry
I don't think that's so. Acts 2:21. 'And everyone who calls upon the name of the Lord will be saved.' The calling on the name of the Lord comes first, then the salvation.
But nor I do believe that dead people can believe, or, indeed, do anything else. God must first open the eyes of a sinner to see, first of all, his sinful state, and then to see the Lord Jesus Christ as His only hope of salvation. But we must never tell people to look into their hearts to see if they are regenerate. They'll get no help there! They need to look to Christ, but they will only do that if God opens their hearts to believe.
Dave G
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" knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified." ( Galatians 2:16 ). <--- According to this, I understand that my faith came from Jesus Christ.
" I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me." ( Galatians 2:20 ). <----- Again, the faith "of" ( from ) Jesus Christ.
" But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.
23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster [to bring us] unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster. " ( Galatians 3:22-25 ). <------- Once again, the faith "of" ( from ) Jesus Christ.
" For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God:
9 not of works, lest any man should boast." ( Ephesians 2:8-9 ). <----- Here I see that by grace I was saved through faith...and that faith was not "of" ( from ) myself, but is the gift of God.
Contrary to many who may disagree with me, this is what I see when I read the Scriptures for myself.
Faith ( true Scriptural faith ) is a gift from God to His elect.
It is a belief and a genuine and enduring trust in the words of God and what is revealed by them.
It is a faith that never fails when put to the tests of this life.
Ben1445
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Only because you ignore anything I say.
Brightfame52
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Yes it is!
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