Salvation in government action

[canadyjd]

To say a nations people are not responsible for- the acts of the government negates when a country moves so far away from good governance.

What in the world does that mean? Who gets to decide what is “good governance”?

The people are not responsible for the “sins” of a corrupt government.

Most of the people in 40’s Germany never on earth were called out for actions. I was taught at Sunday school that we are responsible for doing something.

I do understand your point that morally, as Christians, God wants us to act when we see a problem.

The problem is focusing on secular politics and equating that to Godly action. The church should remain separate from the state. The folks should participate in government according to their conscience. But when their side loses in secular politics it is wrong to suggest the other side is going to hell based on their politics.

The Americans who claim the men in the oceans deserve to be murdered because of accusations is sad . The Americans who want those who the administration calls names to die or suffer are surely violating Jesus’ instructions.

Ok, and those that equate DT’s actions “in the oceans” to Nazi Germany are sad as well.

When you claim “Nazi! Nazi!” every time you disagree with someone politically, you cheapen the horror of the holocaust. You disgrace the memory of those that suffered and died. You lessen the impact of the word.

Very sad indeed

Peace to you

 

[Ben1445]

Interesting you call out a questionable crime while discounting another. You feel that the workers stripping and pushing the prisoners into gas chambers innocent, and the guards who drug the dead out of the gas chambers and into the creametotiums . Or the butcher in Berlin who loved the idea of a final solution. God did whip out all life on earth for our crimes

off the original question. But let’s go into the abortion topic
What of the male half of these abortions?1
If ending abortion as opposed to outlawing it we need to stop unwanted pregnancy 2
Education and good healthcare are what will lower abortion needs 3
600,000 unwanted pregnancy
Give 100,000 don’t make it to term
Give 100,000 become wanted children
Still have 400,000 unwanted humans
Give 200,000 survive and become good citizens
That leaves 200,000 humans that become wards of the state
Are we ready for that prisons , food banks, housing. 5
If soul at conception what is it like for the billion still born , miscarriage souls 6
Is paradise full of little blobs of “people” 7
These are serious questions in the big pacture

This is an offensive statement. I hope I misunderstood you.

Your “little blobs,” are the work of God.

Job 31:15
Did not he that made me in the womb make him?
and did not one fashion us in the womb?

Jeremiah 1:5
Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.

And are able to be filled with the Holy Spirit.

Luke 1:15
For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink; and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother's womb.

They are able to consciously react.

Luke 1:44
For, lo, as soon as the voice of thy salutation sounded in mine ears, the babe leaped in my womb for joy.


The proper biblical term is babe, not blob.

 

[KevinThrowe]

This is an offensive statement. I hope I misunderstood you.

Your “little blobs,” are the work of God.

Job 31:15
Did not he that made me in the womb make him?
and did not one fashion us in the womb?

Jeremiah 1:5
Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.

And are able to be filled with the Holy Spirit.

Luke 1:15
For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink; and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother's womb.

They are able to consciously react.

Luke 1:44
For, lo, as soon as the voice of thy salutation sounded in mine ears, the babe leaped in my womb for joy.


The proper biblical term is babe, not blob.

Having read “misquoting Jesus “ and other studies of the Bible it is the intent that counts. But if as some not all say that soul joins body at conception then the most souls are pre birth. Infant mortality and still birth and miscarriage were until recently the most outcome . This these souls are small entities. People who believe as most read the Bible that souls enter at birth only then these small entities don’t exist

 

[KevinThrowe]

What in the world does that mean? Who gets to decide what is “good governance”?

The people are not responsible for the “sins” of a corrupt government.

I do understand your point that morally, as Christians, God wants us to act when we see a problem.

The problem is focusing on secular politics and equating that to Godly action. The church should remain separate from the state. The folks should participate in government according to their conscience. But when their side loses in secular politics it is wrong to suggest the other side is going to hell based on their politics.

Ok, and those that equate DT’s actions “in the oceans” to Nazi Germany are sad as well.

When you claim “Nazi! Nazi!” every time you disagree with someone politically, you cheapen the horror of the holocaust. You disgrace the memory of those that suffered and died. You lessen the impact of the word.

Very sad indeed

Peace to you

So you say that no matter how far from the teachings of Jesus a nation gets, the population that remains silent are free of the sin/? My Christian education says divergent. Einstein said”if I were to remain silent, I would be guilty of complicity “ . Recall most Germans never faced justice on earth. Thus the question how did the , we, do at the gate. Will the rapist or the murderer who did not get convicted get to the gate and be allowed in?

 

[Ben1445]

Having read “misquoting Jesus “ and other studies of the Bible it is the intent that counts. But if as some not all say that soul joins body at conception then the most souls are pre birth. Infant mortality and still birth and miscarriage were until recently the most outcome . This these souls are small entities. People who believe as most read the Bible that souls enter at birth only then these small entities don’t exist

I am also an identical small entity who has inhabited a body longer than others.
But you disrespect the creation of God and thereby, the Creator.

 

[Ben1445]

It really doesn’t matter what people think. That doesn’t change reality.

 

[KevinThrowe]

It really doesn’t matter what people think. That doesn’t change reality.

Even justice Barrett has not responded. She did the sit down broadcast about abortion but has nit responded to my letter to her . The right to life say America is sinning by allowing federal,money going to abortion thus would we also not be guilty of this administration murders?

 

[canadyjd]

So you say that no matter how far from the teachings of Jesus a nation gets, the population that remains silent are free of the sin/? My Christian education says divergent. Einstein said”if I were to remain silent, I would be guilty of complicity “ . Recall most Germans never faced justice on earth. Thus the question how did the , we, do at the gate. Will the rapist or the murderer who did not get convicted get to the gate and be allowed in?

No person is “free from sin”. You simply misunderstand what it means to be in a right relationship with God. You are linking our eternal salvation on our participation in secular politics. You won’t find that requirement in scripture, certainly not NT.

And again, your repeated suggestion that what DT is doing is compatible to Nazi Germany is utter nonsense.

Peace to you

 

[canadyjd]

Peace to you

 

[Ben1445]

Even justice Barrett has not responded. She did the sit down broadcast about abortion but has nit responded to my letter to her . The right to life say America is sinning by allowing federal,money going to abortion thus would we also not be guilty of this administration murders?

If I say that I disagree with it, vote against it and do what I can to stop it, I am still guilty of it?

 

[KevinThrowe]

If I say that I disagree with it, vote against it and do what I can to stop it, I am still guilty of it?

That is the question , right most Germans never faced justice on earth, did they at the gate ?

 

[KevinThrowe]

No person is “free from sin”. You simply misunderstand what it means to be in a right relationship with God. You are linking our eternal salvation on our participation in secular politics. You won’t find that requirement in scripture, certainly not NT.

And again, your repeated suggestion that what DT is doing is compatible to Nazi Germany is utter nonsense.

Peace to you

Glad to see you don’t see the path German history buff do see the path being followed.

 

[KevinThrowe]

I am also an identical small entity who has inhabited a body longer than others.
But you disrespect the creation of God and thereby, the Creator.

I believe Dr. Clarke has the best explanation of God in the “Rama” books check them out.

 

[Ben1445]

I believe Dr. Clarke has the best explanation of God in the “Rama” books check them out.

You mean this sci-fi stuff??

 

[canadyjd]

Glad to see you don’t see the path German history buff do see the path being followed.

What “path” do you see?

Nazi’s we’re socialists
Modern Dems are socialist
DT is not socialist

Nazis punished people who disagreed with them using the force of government institutions
Modern Dems punish people for disagreeing with them, using the force of government institutions
DT doesn’t punish for disagreeing with him, though he does like to make fun of them.

Nazis forced people to believe the “big lie”
Modern Dems force people to believe the “big lie” from mutilating children, to men can become women, to abortion is safe to the government can best solve their problems.
DT tells the truth about the issues and modern Dems (socialist) call the truth a lie.

So, you see, modern Dems have far more in common with Nazis.

Being a “German History buff” I would have expected you to notice it.

It seems, imo, you joined BB to bash DT and call him a Nazi.

The comparisons you are making simply don’t make sense. Your attempt to build a foundation from scripture for your ideas simply doesn’t make sense.

Peace to you

 

[KevinThrowe]

What “path” do you see?

Nazi’s we’re socialists
Modern Dems are socialist
DT is not socialist

Nazis punished people who disagreed with them using the force of government institutions
Modern Dems punish people for disagreeing with them, using the force of government institutions
DT doesn’t punish for disagreeing with him, though he does like to make fun of them.

Nazis forced people to believe the “big lie”
Modern Dems force people to believe the “big lie” from mutilating children, to men can become women, to abortion is safe to the government can best solve their problems.
DT tells the truth about the issues and modern Dems (socialist) call the truth a lie.

So, you see, modern Dems have far more in common with Nazis.

Being a “German History buff” I would have expected you to notice it.

It seems, imo, you joined BB to bash DT and call him a Nazi.

The comparisons you are making simply don’t make sense. Your attempt to build a foundation from scripture for your ideas simply doesn’t make sense.

Peace to you

So you do see we. Are doing each step .detention, control of propaganda, control of government.

 

[KevinThrowe]

You mean this sci-fi stuff??

Read it . His great mind has a lot of insight . Intellectual people think about important issues.

 

[canadyjd]

So you do see we. Are doing each step .detention, control of propaganda, control of government.

Utter nonsense

Nazis detained people for political ideology and race/religion/s:xual orientation

DT administration are detaining/deporting people because they are in the country illegally, breaking our laws.

No one with an IQ above room temperature would think DT is “controlling” the media. There are numerous outlets that do nothing but bash DT.

The “control of government” results from free and fair elections.

The abuse of government power is a staple of modern Dems, from using the institutions to go after political opponents to liberal judges overstepping their constitutional authority.

The more you post the more I understand.. you don’t see anything clearly. You have an agenda and are making non sense connections where non exist.

Peace to you

 

[Ben1445]

Read it . His great mind has a lot of insight . Intellectual people think about important issues.

I don’t gather information about God from fiction books. When God revealed Himself in His Word, why would I want to know what Clarke thinks about God. I think more of God than to derive my concept of Him from someone else’s imagination.

What is your religion? How do you describe your beliefs?

 

[KevinThrowe]

I don’t gather information about God from fiction books. When God revealed Himself in His Word, why would I want to know what Clarke thinks about God. I think more of God than to derive my concept of Him from someone else’s imagination.

What is your religion? How do you describe your beliefs?

I like to think well researched Christian. Have you read academic studies of Christianity? It is a good use of time and spirituality.