Understanding 2 Thessalonians 2:13

[Silverhair]

Why don't you just read Acts 5:31?

Why don't you let BF answer the question?

BF keeps making opened questions but when pressed for more info as to what he is asking you get no more information from him.

I have read Act 5:31 and understand what in says but the question is what do BF and obviously you understand what it means considering that you read everything through your calvinist glasses.

But since you decided to add you voice I will ask you the same question:

Are you saying that Christ repents for them?

 

[Brightfame52]

I understand why Christ came

Lk 19:10

10 For the Son of man is come to seek and to save that which was lost.

Was He successful in seeking and saving all the Father wills to be saved here 1 Tim 2:4

4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth Yes or no

 

[Brightfame52]

Are you saying that Christ repents for them?

What does Acts 5:31 state ? Why was He Highly Exalted according to that scripture ?

31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.

 

[Brightfame52]

Yet another idiotic absurdity

See your attitude towards Christ prayer Jn 17:17

17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.

The Spirit answers that 2 Thess 2:13

13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:

 

[Martin Marprelate]

Why don't you let BF answer the question?

I'm not stopping him.

BF keeps making opened questions but when pressed for more info as to what he is asking you get no more information from him.

I have read Act 5:31 and understand what in says but the question is what do BF and obviously you understand what it means considering that you read everything through your calvinist glasses.

But since you decided to add you voice I will ask you the same question:

Are you saying that Christ repents for them?

I don't think you have read Acts 5:31, because if you had you wouldn't ask such a silly question. Here is the text; read it again. 'Him [Christ] God has exalted to His right hand to be Prince and Saviour, to give repentance to Israel and forgiveness of sins.' What do you think it means? Surely it means that God has exalted Christ to give repentance and forgiveness of sins to Israel? Where you get Christ repenting for people I do not know.

 

[Brightfame52]

I don't think you have read Acts 5:31, because if you had you wouldn't ask such a silly question.

Lol ! Sure you right

 

[Silverhair]

Lk 19:10

10 For the Son of man is come to seek and to save that which was lost.

Was He successful in seeking and saving all the Father wills to be saved here 1 Tim 2:4

4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth Yes or no

You still do not answer questions BF

Are you saying that Christ repents for them?

 

[Silverhair]

What does Acts 5:31 state ? Why was He Highly Exalted according to that scripture ?

31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.

You are not answering the question BF.

I know what the verse says BF I want to know what you think the verse says.

 

[Silverhair]

I'm not stopping him.

I don't think you have read Acts 5:31, because if you had you wouldn't ask such a silly question. Here is the text; read it again. 'Him [Christ] God has exalted to His right hand to be Prince and Saviour, to give repentance to Israel and forgiveness of sins.' What do you think it means? Surely it means that God has exalted Christ to give repentance and forgiveness of sins to Israel? Where you get Christ repenting for people I do not know.

So did all Israel repent?
Why not if Christ gave them repentance?
Did all of them have their sins forgiven?
Were all of them saved?

Not silly question Martin.

BF posted this "It's Christ responsibility to give repentance as Savior," see post 165

I asked BF a question:

"Are you saying that Christ repents for them BF?"

According to your religion man cannot do anything so the question for BF and now you.

I have read Act 5:31 and I understand what it means but the question is do you and BF?

 

[Silverhair]

Lol ! Sure you right

I notice that neither you or Martin have given as answer to the question.

It seems that those of a particular theological view are not capable of providing clear answers to clear questions.

 

[Martin Marprelate]

I have read Act 5:31 and I understand what it means

I really don't think you have and nor do I think you have read my post #185, where I answered your question.
Let me give you a hint. When you were little and your mother gave you your breakfast, does that men she ate it for you as well?
Now stop being so silly.

 

[Brightfame52]

You still do not answer questions BF

No you havent answered

 

[Brightfame52]

You are not answering the question BF.

No you are not answering the question. Who gives repentance Acts 5:31

 

[Brightfame52]

I notice that neither you or Martin have given as answer to the question.

Thats you

 

[Silverhair]

I really don't think you have and nor do I think you have read my post #185, where I answered your question.
Let me give you a hint. When you were little and your mother gave you your breakfast, does that men she ate it for you as well?
Now stop being so silly.

No Martin you did not answer any of the questions

So did all Israel repent?
Why not if Christ gave them repentance?
Did all of them have their sins forgiven?
Were all of them saved?

By your comment it is clear that you have not thought threw Act 5:31.

Who repents Martin, Christ or the people?

 

[Silverhair]

No you are not answering the question. Who gives repentance Acts 5:31

Are you saying that Christ repents for them BF? Yes or No.

 

[Martin Marprelate]

No Martin you did not answer any of the questions

I think you'll find I have. You have just asked another four, which makes me wonder why I bothered to answer your first one.

So did all Israel repent?
Why not if Christ gave them repentance?
Did all of them have their sins forgiven?
Were all of them saved?

I think you are trying to change text of Acts 5:31 to read, '...That He might offer repentance and forgiveness of sins to Israel. Unfortunately for you, that is not how the text reads. Why don't you have a look at Romans 9:6-8 and 11:1-6?

By your comment it is clear that you have not thought threw Act 5:31.

Who repents Martin, Christ or the people?

Who ate your breakfast, Silverhair? You or your mother? Who gave it to you?

 

[Silverhair]

I think you'll find I have. You have just asked another four, which makes me wonder why I bothered to answer your first one.

You say you answered me in post #185

How is this an answer Martin
"I don't think you have read Acts 5:31, because if you had you wouldn't ask such a silly question. Here is the text; read it again. 'Him [Christ] God has exalted to His right hand to be Prince and Saviour, to give repentance to Israel and forgiveness of sins.' What do you think it means? Surely it means that God has exalted Christ to give repentance and forgiveness of sins to Israel? Where you get Christ repenting for people I do not know."

You did not support your view.

I think you are trying to change text of Acts 5:31 to read, '...That He might offer repentance and forgiveness of sins to Israel. Unfortunately for you, that is not how the text reads. Why don't youhave a look at Romans 9:6-8 and 11:1-6?

Actually I am asking you to deal with the text Martin. Or actually I should say the context. You have ignored the context and because of that and your reading your calvinist view into the text you have missed the intent of the verse.

Who repents Martin, Christ or the people?

 

[Martin Marprelate]

How is this an answer Martin
"I don't think you have read Acts 5:31, because if you had you wouldn't ask such a silly question. Here is the text; read it again. 'Him [Christ] God has exalted to His right hand to be Prince and Saviour, to give repentance to Israel and forgiveness of sins.' What do you think it means? Surely it means that God has exalted Christ to give repentance and forgiveness of sins to Israel? Where you get Christ repenting for people I do not know."

You did not support your view

It is a perfectly clear answer, and I am amazed that you are still asking the same question. If your mother ate your breakfast for you as well as giving it to you, you have my sympathies, but otherwise, again, stop being to silly.

 

[Van]

See your attitude towards Christ prayer Jn 17:17

17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.

The Spirit answers that 2 Thess 2:13

13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:

Yet another idiotic absurdity, all these Calvinists do is post non-germane nonsense falsely claiming it somehow supports their false doctrine.

John 17:17 teaches Christ's disciples are to be sanctified or set apart in God's word which is the truth, such that they will be protected from evil, and those that believe in their testimony will also believe in the truth. Nothing whatsoever to do with God choosing individuals from the beginning of the New Covenant in His blood, by transferring them into Christ based on crediting the individual's faith as righteousness.

All these Calvinist posts are simply Calvinist smoke screed to hide the truth of 2 Thessalonians 2:13!