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[Van]

Anyone that denies that your president is acting like a dictator is just not paying attention to what is coming out of the WH.

He has attacked a sovereign country, he has called another the 51state, and now insists another country will become part of the US the easy way or the hard way.

And lest we forget he has now said he will impose tariffs on any country that does not agree with him have Greenland.

He has made the US a laughing stock on the world stage.

Lets take these Marxist talking points one at a time.

1) Has Mr. Trump attacked a sovereign country? Yes, both Iran and Venezuela are sovereign countries. The unstated innuendo is that the President lack the power to defend against actual and potential threads by taking limited military action. That claim is completely false.

2) Has Mr. Trump suggested Candida should become our 51 state? Yes. The Unstated Innuendo is that He would accomplish this by some undemocratic means, such as invasion. That claim is completely false.

3) Has Mr. Trump said He will impose Tariffs on any country that objects with Mr. Trump taking Greenland? Here is the quote:

“I may do that for Greenland, too,” Trump said during a White House roundtable on rural health care after discussing his tariff policies. “I may put a tariff on countries if they don’t go along with Greenland, because we need Greenland for national security.”​

4) Is America a laughing stock? Ask those in Iran. Ask those in Venezuela. Ask those in Ukraine. Ask those in Taiwan.

Folks, the Marxists and Islamists are the would be "Dictators" like those who were running Venezuela, and those still running Iran, Cuba, Russia and China. Anytime you see a charge on this forum, consider if the opposite might be more true.

 

[Silverhair]

Lets take these Marxist talking points one at a time.

1) Has Mr. Trump attacked a sovereign country? Yes, both Iran and Venezuela are sovereign countries. The unstated innuendo is that the President lack the power to defend against actual and potential threads by taking limited military action. That claim is completely false.

2) Has Mr. Trump suggested Candida should become our 51 state? Yes. The Unstated Innuendo is that He would accomplish this by some undemocratic means, such as invasion. That claim is completely false.

3) Has Mr. Trump said He will impose Tariffs on any country that objects with Mr. Trump taking Greenland? Here is the quote:

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“I may do that for Greenland, too,” Trump said during a White House roundtable on rural health care after discussing his tariff policies. “I may put a tariff on countries if they don’t go along with Greenland, because we need Greenland for national security.” ​

4) Is America a laughing stock? Ask those in Iran. Ask those in Venezuela. Ask those in Ukraine. Ask those in Taiwan.

Folks, the Marxists and Islamists are the would be "Dictators" like those who were running Venezuela, and those still running Iran, Cuba, Russia and China. Anytime you see a charge on this forum, consider if the opposite might be more true.

You are talking from your US position that whatever he dos is right but what we have seen from him is that he is more comfortable with Putin. Chi and Kim than he is with the elected leaders of the EU, Ukraine or Canada.

Trum* has made claims to land that is not part of the US. He has invaded sovereign nations and kidnapped people.

He has said he will put tariffs on countries that do not allow him to take over Greenland 10% Feb 1 and 25% June 1. You can try to make him sound like a nice guy but the world does not see him that way. Time to open your eyes Van.

 

[Ben1445]

The comment is not to be taken seriously.

Then why are you taking seriously Trumps trolling?
I think Maduro has actually made himself look like what you think of Trump.
I think that leaders have discussions with each other. There is more to it than just what we know.
Ultimately, God puts people where they are. God removes people when He wants. And the king’s heart is in the hand of the Lord. If God can move the heart of a king, surely you don’t think God will have a difficult time moving a second term President.
Or do you think that God isn’t doing anything with the hearts of leaders of nations anymore?

 

[Ben1445]

You are mistaken. Maduro offered Trump that America could invest in every part of Venezuela, Oil, mining, everything. Trump turned him down? Why? Because Trump and the Billionaires didn't want China to be able to invest in Venezuelan's wealth. He knew we could not compete fairly with China. China would out bid us at every turn. Globalist/USA oil companies take all of the wealth with them leaving nothing for Venezuela. It's called colonialism. You know, Belgian, British, French, Spanish Colonialism. China would actually give them fair value for their goods. Build their infrastructure. Where America keeps their infrastructure down under US International Sanctions, where no other countries can deal with them or face our wrath economically.

You have transcripts for all this?
For all your love people talk, you seem to line up yourself with the real dictators who kill people for their own gain. Whether that be organ harvesting or just plain senseless violence, there is a history of that poor behavior in communist countries. I think there is a morality issue involved that you are not accounting for in your economic evaluation.
I’ve heard of the Clinton hit list. I’ve never heard of the Trump hit list. He seems to be on the lists of the people who don’t have proper value of human life.

 

[Ben1445]

Well it seems all those economists have just got it wrong.

Agenda is the word.
Everybody has one.
There are some economists who get it right.

 

[Silverhair]

Then why are you taking seriously Trumps trolling?
I think Maduro has actually made himself look like what you think of Trump.
I think that leaders have discussions with each other. There is more to it than just what we know.
Ultimately, God puts people where they are. God removes people when He wants. And the king’s heart is in the hand of the Lord. If God can move the heart of a king, surely you don’t think God will have a difficult time moving a second term President.
Or do you think that God isn’t doing anything with the hearts of leaders of nations anymore?

God knows what people will do but does not determine what people will do as that would naturally lead to Him being the author of evil and He is not.

What Trump did was wrong on all levels. You cannot justify invading another country to kidnap the leader just because you want their oil.

And no Trump is not trolling as he has made it clear that he need Greenland one way or the other.

That is why he should not be taken seriously. Biggest problem is that he makes these midnight choices that people will follow such as invading a sovereign country

He has done more harm to the reputation of the US than will be repaired in generations.

 

[Silverhair]

Agenda is the word.
Everybody has one.
There are some economists who get it right.

Agreed but to ignore what trump has done to the image of the US is just putting one's head in the sand.

 

[Ben1445]

Agreed but to ignore what trump has done to the image of the US is just putting one's head in the sand.

There are billions of different opinions out there. If I disagree with yours, my head is in the sand?

 

[Ben1445]

God knows what people will do but does not determine what people will do as that would naturally lead to Him being the author of evil and He is not.

So you are saying that God doesn’t give anything to anybody, doesn’t move people at all ever even though He said He does turn hearts wherever He wants to?

You are saying this never happened?
1 Kings 22:22
And the LORD said unto him, Wherewith? And he said, I will go forth, and I will be a lying spirit in the mouth of all his prophets. And he said, Thou shalt persuade him, and prevail also: go forth, and do so.

What Trump did was wrong on all levels. You cannot justify invading another country to kidnap the leader just because you want their oil.

You are blind if you think that this is only oil.

And no Trump is not trolling as he has made it clear that he need Greenland one way or the other.

Why are you not upset about how much China and Russia want Greenland.
President Trump said the quiet part out loud. You prefer the disingenuous approach of communism maybe?

That is why he should not be taken seriously. Biggest problem is that he makes these midnight choices that people will follow such as invading a sovereign country

He has done more harm to the reputation of the US than will be repaired in generations.

I would call President Trump a hero. I think it was a good thing. It is great for Venezuela. What happens now is to be determined. But I don’t think that it is fair to say that Venezuela should have stayed under a “pharaoh” because now they could “die in the wilderness.” If you keep harping on about it, you will fortify your own opinion and those around you with their heads stuck in the sand.

If Venezuela is none of our business, then we are definitely none of your business. So why don’t you practice your own foreign policy?

 

[Ben1445]

That is why he should not be taken seriously.

Anybody who has the ability to take you on an involuntary vacation from your bed should be taken seriously.
But you do your own thing. Ignore what he says. Assume he doesn’t mean it. Just don’t be stupid enough to be like Maduro.

 

[Silverhair]

There are billions of different opinions out there. If I disagree with yours, my head is in the sand?

I would say many in the US are ignoring what Trum* is doing. That is putting one's head in the sand.

If you want to agree with him that is your choice but when you deny what he is doing then that is a different story.

 

[Silverhair]

You are saying this never happened?

Not what I said but I am use to people adding to what I have said.

You are blind if you think that this is only oil.

And you are naive if you think it was for any other reason.

Why are you not upset about how much China and Russia want Greenland.
President Trump said the quiet part out loud. You prefer the disingenuous approach of communism maybe?

Neither of them has said they will get Greenland one way or the other.

Add to the the fact the Greenland has said as part of NATO the US could put troops on the ground but that is not what Trum* wants is it.

If Venezuela is none of our business, then we are definitely none of your business. So why don’t you practice your own foreign policy?

What was it that Trum* said about Feb 1 and 10% tariffs if the EU did not allow him to have Greenland?

What he does in your country is your business but when he steps outside of it then I have every right to comment on it.

He thinks tariffs are paid by the shipping country and not by the US citizens. So you have to question his understanding of basic economics.

 

[JonC]

I must have missed it (have not been keeping up with the news). When did we attack Greenland (I assume we won?).

 

[JonC]

You have missed my point. Yes the US has many armed forces around the world but you have not, to my knowledge, had someone in the WH that has been so open in his opposition to all that is right and normal.

I agree. While we have had plenty of other Presidents opposed to what is right and normal they have been less open.

I am not sure with President Trump. He still talks like he is conducting a business deal (a lot of smoke and mirrors, a lot of outrageous exaggeration).

I say this because I saw an interview today - when the reporter challenged him to explain how he was going to take Greenland by force he replied that those were her words. He seems to talk a lot of fluff (and things he cannot do), but so far the outcome has been good.

We saw this with the boarder, with Iran, with the 2025 tax year (I didn't think that woukd fly), with Venezuela.... I have learned to ignore a lot of the hard talk to see what actually happens.

But I agree that the outlandish speech is....well....outlandish.

 

[Ben1445]

Not what I said but I am use to people adding to what I have said.


And you are naive if you think it was for any other reason.


Neither of them has said they will get Greenland one way or the other.

Add to the the fact the Greenland has said as part of NATO the US could put troops on the ground but that is not what Trum* wants is it.


What was it that Trum* said about Feb 1 and 10% tariffs if the EU did not allow him to have Greenland?

What he does in your country is your business but when he steps outside of it then I have every right to comment on it.

He thinks tariffs are paid by the shipping country and not by the US citizens. So you have to question his understanding of basic economics.

Your foreign policy gives you authority to comment on Greenland? You are overstepping like you think President Trump is.

 

[Silverhair]

I agree. While we have had plenty of other Presidents opposed to what is right and normal they have been less open.

I am not sure with President Trump. He still talks like he is conducting a business deal (a lot of smoke and mirrors, a lot of outrageous exaggeration).

I say this because I saw an interview today - when the reporter challenged him to explain how he was going to take Greenland by force he replied that those were her words. He seems to talk a lot of fluff (and things he cannot do), but so far the outcome has been good.

We saw this with the boarder, with Iran, with the 2025 tax year (I didn't think that woukd fly), with Venezuela.... I have learned to ignore a lot of the hard talk to see what actually happens.

But I agree that the outlandish speech is....well....outlandish.

He is a tad over the top.What he does id sow chaos.

He has made the US into an untrustable nation.

For those in the US he may look like he has done some good but from out here he is just a disaster waiting to happen.

 

[Silverhair]

Your foreign policy gives you authority to comment on Greenland? You are overstepping like you think President Trump is.

Greenland has said NO over and over or do you not know that?

Canada's position as stated by Carney is that Greenland will decide what Greenland will do and we will support that choice. That's Canada's foreign policy re Greenland.

The US view is that Greenland has to do what he wants either the easy way or the hard way.

Why do you think it is acceptable for the US to just demand that another sovereign country become part of the US?

 

[Conan]

He is a tad over the top.What he does id sow chaos.

He has made the US into an untrustable nation.

For those in the US he may look like he has done some good but from out here he is just a disaster waiting to happen.

While you are right Trump is being totally outlandish, this is American policy. It's not just a nut only talking. Those who have made America's foreign policy, Trump is just acting out for them. He is enforcing, or trying to enforce US Foreign policy. War under democrats war under Republicans. It's not like Trump thought this up himself. There is a script written for all Presidents. Democrats and Republicans. Please forgive the intrusion.

 

[Van]

You are talking from your US position that whatever he dos is right but what we have seen from him is that he is more comfortable with Putin. Chi and Kim than he is with the elected leaders of the EU, Ukraine or Canada.

Trum* has made claims to land that is not part of the US. He has invaded sovereign nations and kidnapped people.

He has said he will put tariffs on countries that do not allow him to take over Greenland 10% Feb 1 and 25% June 1. You can try to make him sound like a nice guy but the world does not see him that way. Time to open your eyes Van.

Stop wasting time addressing your mind-reading conclusions about me, and start addressing what I said.

Mr Trump did not say He would put tariffs on, he said he "may" put tariffs on. So your claims were material false statements

.

 

[Silverhair]

While you are right Trump is being totally outlandish, this is American policy. It's not just a nut only talking. Those who have made America's foreign policy, Trump is just acting out for them. He is enforcing, or trying to enforce US Foreign policy. War under democrats war under Republicans. It's not like Trump thought this up himself. There is a script written for all Presidents. Democrats and Republicans. Please forgive the intrusion.

Actually have to disagree on the script part.

Does he have hawkish people around him, yes. But it is Trum* that is all over the place in his comments. He has a huge ego and Putin has played him like a fiddle. And he may be being played by some inside his own inner circle for all we know.

When he continues to say Putin want's peace it just shows that he is being played.