Romans 3:26-28 destroys this response… undisputable!
This thread is an awesome testimony to how your philosophy cant answer scriptures clear teaching.
His Word is glorious and unrefutable!
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This thread is an awesome testimony to how your philosophy cant answer scriptures clear teaching.
His Word is glorious and unrefutable!
Didnt say that, Gods Blessing causes it. Matt 5:4
4 Blessed are they that mourn: for they shall be comforted.
Godly sorrow comes from a Godly source 2 Cor 7:10
For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death.
God gives repentance Acts 5:31
Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.
You said God gives the sinner a mourning for their sin:
This verse doesnt say that. It says blessed are they that mourn. It says nothing anout God giving or causing it.God gives the elect sinner a mourning for their sins Matt 5
Blessed are they that mourn: for they shall be comforted.
Brightfame52
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I believe that passage, but it doesnt match youe falshoodRomans 3:26-28 destroys this response… undisputable!
You havent gave any clear scripture teaching, you have gave falshoodsThis thread is an awesome testimony to how your philosophy cant answer scriptures clear teaching.
Brightfame52
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It says blessed. God gives it then as a blessing. You think its talking about a worldly mourning from your sinful flesh ?You said God gives the sinner a mourning for their sin:
This verse doesnt say that. It says blessed are they that mourn. It says nothing anout God giving or causing it.
You can say you believe it, but then you contradict it by saying faith is a work of man.I believe that passage, but it doesnt match youe falshood
You havent gave any clear scripture teaching, you have gave falshoods
Scripture stands, your conclusion falls. Our faith in Jesus saves by His grace! Amen!
No, Those that mourn are blessed.It says blessed. God gives it then as a blessing. You think its talking about a worldly mourning from your sinful flesh ?
It doesnt say God blesses those so they mourn.
You are trying to reverse what the verse says to match your philosophy.
Brightfame52
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Your statements arent from scripture palYou can say you believe it, but then you contradict it by saying faith is a work of man.
Scripture stands, your conclusion falls. Our faith in Jesus saves by His grace! Amen!
Brightfame52
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Its a Spiritual blessing, like poor in Spirit. Man by nature doesn't spiritually mourn nor is he spiritually poor in Spirit, those things are blessings from GodNo, Those that mourn are blessed.
It doesnt say God blesses those so they mourn.
You are trying to reverse what the verse says to match your philosophy.
Just like mourning here is the result of the Spirit of Grace being poured upon Zech 12 10
And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.
No scripture, no refutation to Faith not being a work!
Now you leave Matthew 5 and the clear reading of scripture on God blessing the poor in spirit to jump to a different book that talks about the Holy Spirit being poured out at Pentecost to try to justify your philosophy of God causing spiritual mourning! Just because He pours out the Holy Spirit doesnt mean everyone gets it! Only those that had faith in Him received it!
I wonder if you can see how out of context you are and how much you add your philosophy to the text.
Now you leave Matthew 5 and the clear reading of scripture on God blessing the poor in spirit to jump to a different book that talks about the Holy Spirit being poured out at Pentecost to try to justify your philosophy of God causing spiritual mourning! Just because He pours out the Holy Spirit doesnt mean everyone gets it! Only those that had faith in Him received it!
I wonder if you can see how out of context you are and how much you add your philosophy to the text.
Yet another demonstration of biblical illiteracy. Faith provides access to grace, not the other way around, Romans 5:1;2!!Yeah Faith is according to Grace because its wrought in the elect by the Grace of the Spirit, its not in the natural man.
Having our worthless faith credited by God as righteousness is the conditional basis for our election for salvation.
Placing uncredited faith in the gospel does not result in salvation. See Matthew 7 and Matthew 13, and read the accounts in Acts of those of lip service faith. How about those unwilling to sacrifice for the benefit of others?
Placing uncredited faith in the gospel does not result in salvation. See Matthew 7 and Matthew 13, and read the accounts in Acts of those of lip service faith. How about those unwilling to sacrifice for the benefit of others?
Brightfame52
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Yes it does that, whose disputing that ? And God gave the elect Faith for that as wellFaith provides access to grace
First he agrees faith provides access to grace, but then returns to the vomit, and claims God's grace instills faith. Insanity on display!Yes it does that, whose disputing that ? And God gave the elect Faith for that as well
Brightfame52
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Duh yeah, it does, the Grace where the elect standsFirst he agrees faith provides access to grace
Grace does give Faith, the elect believe with Faith by Grace Acts 18:27but then returns to the vomit, and claims God's grace instills faith. Insanity on display!
27 And when he was disposed to pass into Achaia, the brethren wrote, exhorting the disciples to receive him: who, when he was come, helped them much which had believed through grace:
Let me tell you something van, something you obviously dont know, Everything about Salvation is a product of Gods Grace.
That will be the theme for all the ages to come Eph 2:5-9
5 even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;) 6 and hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus: 7 that in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus. 8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9 not of works, lest any man should boast
More absurdity, more nullification of verse after verse.Duh yeah, it does, the Grace where the elect stands
Grace does give Faith, the elect believe with Faith by Grace Acts 18:27
27 And when he was disposed to pass into Achaia, the brethren wrote, exhorting the disciples to receive him: who, when he was come, helped them much which had believed through grace:
Let me tell you something van, something you obviously dont know, Everything about Salvation is a product of Gods Grace.
That will be the theme for all the ages to come Eph 2:5-9
5 even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;) 6 and hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus: 7 that in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus. 8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9 not of works, lest any man should boast
Faith provides access to God's gracious salvation. Not the other way around.
Next he pulls the old switcheroo. God's revelatory grace, the gospel of Christ, is paraded as if it were the fiction of irresistible grace. I kid you not.
Next, as usual, he claims to be a mind reader. I kid you not.
Lastly, he starts out after our faith has been credited by God, after God then has transferred us spiritually into Christ, and after we have undergone the washing of regeneration, making us alive together with Christ. I kid you not.
They never acknowledge God's election for salvation is based on God crediting, or NOT, the faith of the lost. On the one hand they invent "irresistible grace" never mentioned in scripture, and, on the other, nullify God crediting the faith of some believers
Brightfame52
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You just all over the placeMore absurdity, more nullification of verse after verse.
Faith provides access to God's gracious salvation. Not the other way around.
Next he pulls the old switcheroo. God's revelatory grace, the gospel of Christ, is paraded as if it were the fiction of irresistible grace. I kid you not.
Next, as usual, he claims to be a mind reader. I kid you not.
Lastly, he starts out after our faith has been credited by God, after God then has transferred us spiritually into Christ, and after we have undergone the washing of regeneration, making us alive together with Christ. I kid you not.
They never acknowledge God's election for salvation is based on God crediting, or NOT, the faith of the lost. On the one hand they invent "irresistible grace" never mentioned in scripture, and, on the other, nullify God crediting the faith of some believers
Duh yeah, it does, the Grace where the elect stands
Grace does give Faith, the elect believe with Faith by Grace Acts 18:27
27 And when he was disposed to pass into Achaia, the brethren wrote, exhorting the disciples to receive him: who, when he was come, helped them much which had believed through grace:
Let me tell you something van, something you obviously dont know, Everything about Salvation is a product of Gods Grace.
That will be the theme for all the ages to come Eph 2:5-9
5 even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;) 6 and hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus: 7 that in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus. 8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9 not of works, lest any man should boast
You mis-use the text of Acts 18:27-28.
They believed they were saved through the Grace of Jesus, not the Works of the Jewish Law that the Jews he was arguing with were fighting for! Read verse 28… you are abusing the context.
And when he wanted to go across to Achaia, the brethren encouraged him and wrote to the disciples to welcome him; and when he had arrived, he greatly helped those who had believed through grace, for he powerfully refuted the Jews in public, demonstrating by the Scriptures that Jesus was the Christ.
— Acts 18:27-28
I was thinking you were when you started running away from the scriptural foundation of faith not being a work!You just all over the place
Feel free to change your mind in accordance with the scripture of Romans 3:27-28!
Brightfame52
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Same thing, the Grace of Salvation, Faith is given to access it, to enjoy it, it doesn't cause it, Jesus did that. Access means give audience. It gives access to the throne of grace, draw near to God by Faith , the Salvation and Grace is a reality.Faith provides access to God's gracious salvation.
Faith is given to all the elect so they may know all what Christ did in Saving them, and to believe He did everything to save them by grace.
Brightfame52
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No I dont. I know about those other readings. The elect believes because of Grace. They are given belief in Christ Phil 1:29You mis-use the text of Acts 18:27-28.
For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake
The word given comes from the word for grace, its the greek word χαρίζομαι, its made of charis the word for Grace