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The creation: origins

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easternstar

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Which of these do you believe?
1. Young Earh creationism
2. Old Earth creationism
a. Gap creationism
b. Day-age creationism
c. Progressive creationism
3. Theistic evolution
4. Something else
 
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Charlie24

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easternstar said:
Which of these do you believe?
1. Young Earh creationism
2. Old Earth creationism
a. Gap creationism
b. Day-age creationism
c. Progressive creationism
3. Theistic evolution
4. Something else
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I lean toward the Gap Theory. Something happened between Gen. 1:1 and 1:2, I believe.

When God created the heaven and the earth in 1:1, something caused it to become "without form, and void and darkness.

I believe in 1:1 everything was created and what we are reading in the creation is a recreation.

But there are some good points in other theories, and I've never given it much attention.
 
SovereignGrace

SovereignGrace

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Charlie24 said:
How would you explain the scientific results of prehistoric remains dating back 100's of thousands of years, some estimated in the millions.

Personally I believe they are in the ballpark.
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How reliable is carbon14 dating? Personally, I see a 6 literal days with each day being 24 hours creation. I believe that dinosaurs were alive on earth at the onset of time.
 
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Charlie24

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SovereignGrace said:
How reliable is carbon14 dating? Personally, I see a 6 literal days with each day being 24 hours creation. I believe that dinosaurs were alive on earth at the onset of time.
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Well, we're all guessing here. The Gap Theory says that between Gen. 1:1/1:2 the rebellion of Satan took place.

We can read about Satan's fall in Isiah and Ezekiel but we don't know when it happened, supposedly in the dateless past, but we know Satan had fallen by the time Adam was created.

So if this theory is correct (I don't know) there was a war in heaven when Satan rebelled and according to Rev. it was 1/3 of the angels in heaven that followed Satan. But Rev. is the final expel of Satan from heaven and has nothing to do with the original fall.

It's believed if supernatural beings go to war some serious stuff will be torn up, like planets and moons, everything taken out of it's place and a recreation is needed.
 
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Charlie24

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Charlie24 said:
Well, we're all guessing here. The Gap Theory says that between Gen. 1:1/1:2 the rebellion of Satan took place.

We can read about Satan's fall in Isiah and Ezekiel but we don't know when it happened, supposedly in the dateless past, but we know Satan had fallen by the time Adam was created.

So if this theory is correct (I don't know) there was a war in heaven when Satan rebelled and according to Rev. it was 1/3 of the angels in heaven that followed Satan. But Rev. is the final expel of Satan from heaven and has nothing to do with the original fall.

It's believed if supernatural beings go to war some serious stuff will be torn up, like planets and moons, everything taken out of it's place and a recreation is needed.
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As far as science I believe they are accurate to a point, I have no way of confirming they are, but they have discovered some very amazing things most believe to be true.
 
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SovereignGrace

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Charlie24 said:
Well, we're all guessing here. The Gap Theory says that between Gen. 1:1/1:2 the rebellion of Satan took place.

We can read about Satan's fall in Isiah and Ezekiel but we don't know when it happened, supposedly in the dateless past, but we know Satan had fallen by the time Adam was created.

So if this theory is correct (I don't know) there was a war in heaven when Satan rebelled and according to Rev. it was 1/3 of the angels in heaven that followed Satan. But Rev. is the final expel of Satan from heaven and has nothing to do with the original fall.

It's believed if supernatural beings go to war some serious stuff will be torn up, like planets and moons, everything taken out of it's place and a recreation is needed.
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I have no idea how the gap theory came into existence to begin with. I love science, but I am leery of scientists who try to disprove of the existence of God, thereby, nullifying the validity of the word of God.
 
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Charlie24

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SovereignGrace said:
I have no idea how the gap theory came into existence to begin with. I love science, but I am leery of scientists who try to disprove of the existence of God, thereby, nullifying the validity of the word of God.
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I knew absolutely nothing about science and of all sources I learned a lot from the Atheists back when I used fight with them years ago.

They know nothing of the Lord but they know their science.
 
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SovereignGrace

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Charlie24 said:
Well, we're all guessing here. The Gap Theory says that between Gen. 1:1/1:2 the rebellion of Satan took place.

We can read about Satan's fall in Isiah and Ezekiel but we don't know when it happened, supposedly in the dateless past, but we know Satan had fallen by the time Adam was created.

So if this theory is correct (I don't know) there was a war in heaven when Satan rebelled and according to Rev. it was 1/3 of the angels in heaven that followed Satan. But Rev. is the final expel of Satan from heaven and has nothing to do with the original fall.

It's believed if supernatural beings go to war some serious stuff will be torn up, like planets and moons, everything taken out of it's place and a recreation is needed.
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What little research I have done, I have found that the Gap Theory wasn't taught by OT saints, NT saints, and it was some time around 1700-1800's that it has it origins. I found a Thomas Chalmers in 1814 popularized it, but I don't know if he originated the idea. Something coming onto the scene this far into creation should cause a pause.
 
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Charlie24

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SovereignGrace said:
What little research I have done, I have found that the Gap Theory wasn't taught by OT saints, NT saints, and it was some time around 1700-1800's that it has it origins. I found a Thomas Chalmers in 1814 popularized it, but I don't know if he originated the idea. Something coming onto the scene this far into creation should cause a pause.
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It was my understanding that the early technology in science began the consideration of the Gap Theory.

I don't know, but the Gap Theory and science work together once you get into it.
 
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SovereignGrace

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Charlie24 said:
It was my understanding that the early technology in science began the consideration of the Gap Theory.

I don't know, but the Gap Theory and science work together once you get into it.
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We need to have the scriptures be our guide, just like sailors of old used the stars to direct them whilst at seas. As I heard a guy say one time, "the safe harbor of scriptures", and I loved that and try to use that as my guide.


In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. The earth was formless and void, and darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was moving over the surface of the waters.[Genesis 1:1-2]

I want someone to point me to a space of time betwixt verse one and verse two. It just ain't there. To say there is is eisegesis on steroids. But, I do want someone to try to point a space of undetermined time betwixt those two verses.
 
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Charlie24

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Charlie24 said:
It was my understanding that the early technology in science began the consideration of the Gap Theory.

I don't know, but the Gap Theory and science work together once you get into it.
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There are several interesting points in Gen. 1 that support the Gap Theory.

There is also a recap of the creation that's very interesting, but I can't remember all of it now.

I'll have to take some time tomorrow to find all of it and point it out.
 
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Charlie24

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Charlie24 said:
There are several interesting points in Gen. 1 that support the Gap Theory.

There is also a recap of the creation that's very interesting, but I can't remember all of it now.

I'll have to take some time tomorrow to find all of it and point it out.
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It's been a very long time since I've covered anything on the creation.
 
SovereignGrace

SovereignGrace

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Charlie24 said:
There are several interesting points in Gen. 1 that support the Gap Theory.

There is also a recap of the creation that's very interesting, but I can't remember all of it now.

I'll have to take some time tomorrow to find all of it and point it out.
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However, this did gain traction until some time in the 1700's and that should have red flags all over it.
 
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