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The Close of the Canon Holy Scripture.

37818

37818

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I am of the persuasion the canon Holy Scripture closed with the writing of the book of Revelation of Jesus Christ.

Per Revelation 22:18-19, For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the tree. of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
 
37818

37818

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I am also persuaded two of the speaking gifts of the Spirit which were given in part, were ended being made perfect with the close of the canon of Holy Scripture. God's Holy Scripture always being perfect.

Psalm 19:7, The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple.

James 1:25, But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.

1 Corinthians 13:8-10, Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away. For we know in part, and we prophesy in part. But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.y

Revelation 19:10, . . . for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.
 
Ascetic X

Ascetic X

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37818 said:
I am also persuaded two of the speaking gifts of the Spirit which were given in part, were ended being made perfect with the close of the canon of Holy Scripture. God's Holy Scripture always being perfect.

Psalm 19:7, The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple.

James 1:25, But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.

1 Corinthians 13:8-10, Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away. For we know in part, and we prophesy in part. But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.y

Revelation 19:10, . . . for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.
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If “that which is perfect” means the canon of scripture, so that all the things that are “in part” are done away, you wouldn’t know it, because knowledge has vanished away.
 
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37818

37818

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Verse 9, For we know in part, and we prophesy in part.

When the spoken word of knowledge being in part is replaced by only the written Holy Scripture. And spoken prophecy being in part is replaced by only the written Holy Scripture.

Verse 12, For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.

The Apostle Paul then only knew in part. But by time the canon was closed he would be present with the Lord. (2 Corinthians,5:8)
 
Craigbythesea

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37818 said:
I am of the persuasion the canon Holy Scripture closed with the writing of the book of Revelation of Jesus Christ.

Per Revelation 22:18-19, For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the tree. of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
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That may be your persuasion, but it is most definitely not the persuasion of numerous New Testament scholars. Jacob Edson, Editorial Director of Bible Gateway (He holds a Master of Theological Studies in Early Christian Thought from Harvard Divinity School, and a Bachelor of Arts in Religious History from Memorial University of Newfoundland, though with most of his coursework from the University of Hawai'i at Manoa.), Has given to us an excellent article in which he gives us the range of dates of writing of each books of the New Testament. If the Book of Revelation was written during persecutions by Nero, it was written during 64-65 AD. If it was written during persecutions by Domitian, it was written during 64-65 AD. Either way, many of the books of the New Testament were very likely written at later dates.

Revelation 22:18-19 cannot be referring the Bible because the Bible as a codex did not exist until centuries later.

www.biblegateway.com

When Was Each Book of the Bible Written? | Bible Gateway News & Knowledge

See the timeline of when each book of the Bible was written, understand challenges in dating them, and learn how scholars estimate the composition dates of ancient writing.
www.biblegateway.com
 
JonC

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37818 said:
I am of the persuasion the canon Holy Scripture closed with the writing of the book of Revelation of Jesus Christ.

Per Revelation 22:18-19, For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the tree. of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
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I am, but for different reasons.

The issue with that passage speaking of the entirety of Scriptures is that it either applies to Revelation rather than the Bible as a whole or was meaningless until the time the Bible was compiled into a single book. I view the passage as being in context to Revelation.

But I view the Canon as closed because the apostallic authority no longer exists, the Scriptures are in themselves complete.
 
atpollard

atpollard

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37818 said:
I am also persuaded two of the speaking gifts of the Spirit which were given in part, were ended being made perfect with the close of the canon of Holy Scripture. God's Holy Scripture always being perfect.
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Ascetic X said:
If “that which is perfect” means the canon of scripture, so that all the things that are “in part” are done away, you wouldn’t know it, because knowledge has vanished away.
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See, this is why we need to reopen the canon of scripture. People are always adding new "revelations" for us. ;)
 
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Martin Marprelate

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The Scriptures are sufficient for us. We might wish we knew more about, say, our Lord's life between the ages of 12 and 30, but we don't need to know it. C.f. John 20:30-31; 2 Timothy 3:16-17' '...That the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work.'
 
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Martin Marprelate

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By 180 AD, every book of the N.T had been quoted or alluded to by one or more Church Father with the sole exception of 2 Peter. Before 100 AD, Clement of Rome had referenced at least one Synoptic Gospel, Hebrews, Romans, Acts, Galatians, Ephesians, Philippians, 1 Timothy, Titus, 1 Peter and James. It's important to remember that all the books had to be copied out by hand, so inevitably it took a while for each book to circulate through the churches.

A good book to read on this subject is Why 27? by Brian Edwards (Evangelical Press), a very well accepted British writer and pastor
The difference between Scripture and the writings of the 'Early Church Fathers' and the superiority of the former is apparent IMO to anyone who reads them.
 
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Ascetic X

Ascetic X

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Martin Marprelate said:
By 180 AD, every book of the N.T had been quoted or alluded to by one or more Church Father with the sole exception of 2 Peter. Before 100 AD, Clement of Rome had referenced at least one Synoptic Gospel, Hebrews, Romans, Acts, Galatians, Ephesians, Philippians, 1 Timothy, Titus, 1 Peter and James. It's important to remember that all the books had to be copied out by hand, so inevitably it took a while for each book to circulate through the churches.

A good book to read on this subject is Why 27? by Brian Edwards (Evangelical Press), a very well accepted British writer and pastor
The difference between Scripture and the writings of the 'Early Church Fathers' and the superiority of the former is apparent IMO to anyone who reads them.
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I have found great value in some of the Early Church Fathers and the teachings of the desert monks as compiled in the Philokalia and Book of the Elders.
 
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Craigbythesea said:
That may be your persuasion, but it is most definitely not the persuasion of numerous New Testament scholars. Jacob Edson, Editorial Director of Bible Gateway (He holds a Master of Theological Studies in Early Christian Thought from Harvard Divinity School, and a Bachelor of Arts in Religious History from Memorial University of Newfoundland, though with most of his coursework from the University of Hawai'i at Manoa.), Has given to us an excellent article in which he gives us the range of dates of writing of each books of the New Testament. If the Book of Revelation was written during persecutions by Nero, it was written during 64-65 AD. If it was written during persecutions by Domitian, it was written during 64-65 AD. Either way, many of the books of the New Testament were very likely written at later dates.

Revelation 22:18-19 cannot be referring the Bible because the Bible as a codex did not exist until centuries later.

www.biblegateway.com

When Was Each Book of the Bible Written? | Bible Gateway News & Knowledge

See the timeline of when each book of the Bible was written, understand challenges in dating them, and learn how scholars estimate the composition dates of ancient writing.
www.biblegateway.com
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Liberals date it early, conservative later
 
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JesusFan

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Martin Marprelate said:
By 180 AD, every book of the N.T had been quoted or alluded to by one or more Church Father with the sole exception of 2 Peter. Before 100 AD, Clement of Rome had referenced at least one Synoptic Gospel, Hebrews, Romans, Acts, Galatians, Ephesians, Philippians, 1 Timothy, Titus, 1 Peter and James. It's important to remember that all the books had to be copied out by hand, so inevitably it took a while for each book to circulate through the churches.

A good book to read on this subject is Why 27? by Brian Edwards (Evangelical Press), a very well accepted British writer and pastor
The difference between Scripture and the writings of the 'Early Church Fathers' and the superiority of the former is apparent IMO to anyone who reads them.
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Yes, as by end of first century pretty all local assemblies had received the canon 66 books as inspired scriptures, only disagreement were for Hebrews, did Paul write it or not, James due to some seeing saved by works theology, 2 peter, as some thought different author, and Revelation, was John the Elder the Apostle but everything else well accepted already
 
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Martin Marprelate

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Ascetic X said:
I have found great value in some of the Early Church Fathers and the teachings of the desert monks as compiled in the Philokalia and Book of the Elders.
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That's fine. I find value in the Puritans and early Particular Baptists; but whether it is ECFs, Reformers, Puritans or whosoever, their value is only insofar as they follow the word of God. 'And when they say to you, "Seek those who are mediums and wizards, who whisper and mutter," should not a people seek their God? Should they seek the dead on behalf of the living? To the law and to the testimony! If they do not speak according to this word, it is because there is no light in them' (Isaiah 8:19-20).
 
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