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[Reynolds]

So are you suggesting that God did not direct her to that position?

God does not prohibit women from being pastors and then direct them to violate His prohibition.

 

[Salty]

Church said to leave this area- Pastor said we are staying -- Your thoughts?
Click here for link:
(note: yes pastor is female - but let this discussion be about what was said - not who said it!)

Is this a matter of Free Speech?
Do that right exist at this location?

REMINDER 0f what the OP asked!!!

this discussion is NOT about the gender of the pastor
BUT rather what the pastor said,

PLEASE keep that in MIND!

 

[Silverhair]

From the link:
Lucas said she’s not against the sun dance altogether: she supports fasting and praying as a whole concept. But she understands the ceremony also involves “the worship of the pipe,” she said, adding that’s idolatry, and irreconcilable with the teaching that “Jesus is the only way.”

I read the whole article and I have to agree with her comments and her position.

Yes some were upset but what about those that attended her church? They had the same history and traditions but they had made the choice to follow Christ Jesus.

 

[Silverhair]

God does not prohibit women from being pastors and then direct them to violate His prohibition.

So was she preaching the word of God or not?

But I do not see where God prohibits women preaching but I do see where Paul said he did not.

 

[Reynolds]

So was she preaching the word of God or not?

But I do not see where God prohibits women preaching but I do see where Paul said he did not.

Another argument for another place. Pauls writings are The Holy Spirits words. Simple enough.

 

[Kai]

I'm not going to comment on the woman pastor debate, but the bottom line is this:

If the church resides on private property, then just like any other place of worship, they are constitutionally protected to remain where they are so that they may freely exercise their religious freedom.

That being said, it is the Holy Spirit who has promised to convict and lead His sheep out of that place of worship if it has become apostate.

 

[Silverhair]

Another argument for another place. Pauls writings are The Holy Spirits words. Simple enough.

But that is the whole argument. Should she have stayed quiet and not preached the gospel message so that the lost could be saved through faith in the risen Christ?

 

[Reynolds]

But that is the whole argument. Should she have stayed quiet and not preached the gospel message so that the lost could be saved through faith in the risen Christ?

You never disobey God. He does not need you to rebel against Him in the name of working for Him.

 

[Foxmeister]

Since we do not have the full message but just what may have been taken out of context it would seem that we are not in a position to judge what she said.

The gospel is an insult to many people. Did Jesus or any of the apostles hand out a questionaire prior to preaching the gospel message?

When Paul was addressing the Greek intellectuals on Mars Hill in Athens, he didn't insult them. He simply said he observed the people of Athens were very religious because of the many idols of the different gods that were displayed everywhere. Then he pointed out the idol with no face called the unknown god, and proceeded to tell them about our God. They didn't run him off. They listened to him.

I think that was a much better approach than saying something that would have insulted them.

 

[Silverhair]

You never disobey God. He does not need you to rebel against Him in the name of working for Him.

We are told to preach the gospel message and that includes women although you do not agree.

 

[Salty]

last warning - STAY ON THE OP
WHICH DOES NOT INCLUDE THE GENDER OF THE PASTOR!

If you want to go that direction - start a new thread.

 

[Silverhair]

When Paul was addressing the Greek intellectuals on Mars Hill in Athens, he didn't insult them. He simply said he observed the people of Athens were very religious because of the many idols of the different gods that were displayed everywhere. Then he pointed out the idol with no face called the unknown god, and proceeded to tell them about our God. They didn't run him off. They listened to him.

I think that was a much better approach than saying something that would have insulted them.

What did she say that insulted them? She pointed out something that I would think you or any Christian would do. She said that prayers to the pipe or their ancestors would not save them but only that faith in the risen Christ could do that.

We know that the gospel will insult many but that is no reason not to preach it.

 

[SovereignGrace]

Church said to leave this area- Pastor said we are staying -- Your thoughts?
Click here for link:
(note: yes pastor is female - but let this discussion be about what was said - not who said it!)

Is this a matter of Free Speech?
Do that right exist at this location?

I think this settles it: The church, which has operated in Fremont County for nine years, sits within the borders of the Wind River Indian Reservation, but it’s on a parcel of private, not tribal, land.

I don’t think that church can be made to move at the behest of that tribe. Seems to me that tribe has no jurisdiction where that church sets, and cannot legally force them out.

 

[Foxmeister]

What did she say that insulted them? She pointed out something that I would think you or any Christian would do. She said that prayers to the pipe or their ancestors would not save them but only that faith in the risen Christ could do that.

We know that the gospel will insult many but that is no reason not to preach it.

How far do you think Paul would have gotten if he had started his teaching on Mars Hill by saying, "The gods you worship are not real."

 

[Silverhair]

How far do you think Paul would have gotten if he had started his teaching on Mars Hill by saying, "The gods you worship are not real."

How far do you think Paul would have gotten if he did not point out that salvation is only through faith in the risen Christ Jesus?

She was exercising her right to free speech when she proclaimed the gospel message. Just as those that did not agree with her exercised their right to free speech.

 

[canadyjd]

She cannot change the peoples past but she could change their future. She was doing just what we are called to do, preach the gospel.

Most will find the gospel offensive but that is not a reason to stop preaching it.

Only God changes people and you are correct most will find the gospel offensive, scripture tells us that.

But…. Jesus said to be as wise as serpents and as innocent as doves.

Her words were not wise for her audience. They were offensive, perhaps intentionally so.

There would surely be a time to correct their misunderstanding (I still do not know what smoking the pipe represents to these people), perhaps in a private conversation initiated by someone.

Peace to you

 

[canadyjd]

Is it not better to have a woman preach to the lost then wait for some man that does not shown up. She has already been there several years so if God wanted a man there then He would have had one show up.

I do find it odd that some people would rather have no one preach than have a woman do so.

Or, God could wait for her to say something to offend these people, get herself kicked out, and replace her with a man

Peace to you

 

[Reynolds]

last warning - STAY ON THE OP
WHICH DOES NOT INCLUDE THE GENDER OF THE PASTOR!

If you want to go that direction - start a new thread.

Sorry. I missed your post on page 1 warning about this.

 

[canadyjd]

She was exercising her right to free speech when she proclaimed the gospel message. Just as those that did not agree with her exercised their right to free speech.

Does she have “free speech” on tribal territory or is their laws different?

Peace to you

 

[Silverhair]

Only God changes people and you are correct most will find the gospel offensive, scripture tells us that.

But…. Jesus said to be as wise as serpents and as innocent as doves.

Her words were not wise for her audience. They were offensive, perhaps intentionally so.

There would surely be a time to correct their misunderstanding (I still do not know what smoking the pipe represents to these people), perhaps in a private conversation initiated by someone.

Peace to you

Here audience were the members of her church from what we see in the article.

Her comments were no more offensive than telling a Mormon that they could not become God's or telling an RCC or Muslim that works could not save them.

She laid out the truth that only faith in the risen Christ could save.