Recent content by Psalty

I think this is the root of the issue. You are backdating things, so to speak. For a refresher, the question is: If God elected Israel, why aren’t they all saved? You answered: Because God conditionally elected Israel, so they weren’t all saved, but now God has changed how He does election and...

I will happily go through this! Take me a little bit later today to get to it though. For context first though what in 1 Peter 2:9- 10 makes you say that it is unconditional? There is nothing in the text and additionally, he is quoting Exodus to make his point i.e. identifying election as the...

Ive heard the old school “lay-away” analogy used too. But now that credit does everything, lay-away has gone away! Edit:Its like having a purchased ticket, but refusing to receive it and missing the flight.

You jumped in on SGs argument affirming his thoughts. If you dont know what he said you should go and read it so you know what you are backing up. Edit: its clear you didnt catch the wuestions and answers, youll have to go back one page. It was the end of what you were responding to. If you...

Sounds good, I look forward to hearing how you can make this logically consistent.

Yes, sad that a human woulnt see that value loss! Their short coming, not Gods who on calvinism is the one who blinds them to grace. Gods will is for them to chose, so it is not thwarted. Yet He retains His maximum grace, unlike the limited graciousness of the calvinistic God. And God can...

Its nice what you strung together there without talking anout the unelect. By backing up SGs argument you fall into the same trap. The problem with what you are doing is taking Gods definition of Election, then saying He really doesnt mean what He said. You have just made “elect” mean that...

So when God said that Israel is elect, He doesnt necessarily mean everyone. So when God said that Gentiles are elect, He doesnt necessarily mean everyone. Congratulations, you just destroyed the calvinist definition of election and cannot hold to Eternal Security.

Its sad that the Calvinist god is limited in his grace to a select few. Its such a weak god of limited grace. On the other-hand, the God of the bible is maximally gracious and offers grace to EVERYONE! His grace is unlimited

So even though God called Israel His elect, not all of them were saved. Do you agree with this statement?

You said Israel was Elect. You as a calvinist believes that elect people were chosen to be saved before the foundation of the world. Was all of israel saved or not? They were all elect… Please answer the question.

So in context this is saying that His people will give free will offerings when He rules with power… uh yeah, this is obvious. This says nothing about Him mystically converting their will to do it, thats all you adding mans tradition to the text. Why would they need Him to manipulate their...

Keep going, Paul is concluding His point. Even if objects of wrath they can be grafted in again.

It says nothing of the sort. Did you even read the verse? Even in your old-school king James it doesnt say God made them be willing.

And were the whole nation of Israel saved or not? You use this and think it is a slam dunk when what you show is only a remnant of His elect were saved, not all of His chosen people. You absolutely fail to understand election.