Recent content by Psalty

Certainly there are abuses. I was raised in an Assembly of God. Good people, totally controlled gifts at a set time IF the Spirit moved. Pastor always stood up afterward and evaluated whether to accept. Countless testimonies of a specific word of knowledge that was given, then a totally...

I think this is redefining after the fact. The words charasmatic and pentecostal are interchangable. I will add that historically, most of the pentecostal movement started in meetings outside of the church service. Many of the mainstream denominations kicked their members who experienced the...

I wonder if Israel will go through another round of God spitting them out of the land for their depravity?

Oh, I dont disagree with divine sovereignty, just the definition a compatibalist calvinist would give it. :D

Let me outline the infralapsarian position; 1. God creates a universe with man having free will. At this point, God has not predestined salvation. God’s sovereignty is limited. 2. At the fall, God now changes how He does sovereignty. He now decrees that all have Inability due to Adam’s choice...

I asked for best verses for inability and you referenced John 6:44. I will answer this as the strongest statement for difinitively proving inability. Regarding drawing from John 6, this term is used in the LXX in Jeremiah 31:2-3: Here God “draws” Israel back to Himself after punishment. How...

And who decreed the result of Adam’s choice? Why are you so shallow that you don’t want to pursue the truth of the origin of the sinful nature that Calvinism purports? And again, by taking this view, you flip flop definitions of Sovereignty. You’re God is limited, lacking glory before the...

I think Inability is a vast overstatement. You would have to show me your best verse on this to discuss, because if the most solid one goes down, then Inability goes down. I think of the Prodigal Son… “he came to His senses”. It is not effectual or irresistible, it is sense-making and...

On a deterministic or compatibalistic system, it does indeed seem not possible to get around the fall without decree. On a foreknowledge view, it is possible for God to know what will happen, without causing it, and still come up with a plan before the foundation/creation of the world. I do...

Not free will, but Love. Love is primary attribute of the Godhead. God created us to experience it and demonstrate it to reflect His triune nature as image bearers. Sovereignty is not a primary attribute of God. (Omnipotence is, but that is different). To rule over the universe only becomes a...

So God was not sovereign before the fall?

You had two great posts here in a row. I do think that at the end of the day determinism and compatibalism hang heavily on how you view the fall and what happened before it. If one states that there was true libertarian free will prior to the Fall, this begs the underlying problem for the...

I appreciate you addressing this. I do understand the way that it is phrased, that regardless of “left on their own they wont come”, yet it still presents the question: who created man with the inability to come? This is simply taking the compatibalists view that humans by their will and...

Right, I’m pointing out that your application is incompatible with your definition. The way you explained it in your last line, as I referenced. Edit: for reference: I think on this point, the issue of scope of application of scripture, or denial of passages, is the typical culprit. I see...

I said your explanation, not your definition.