Recent content by Psalty

Naw, you havent posted any scripture. ;D Maybe if you had a scripural argument I would be concerned. I post because much of what I hear is unsubstantiated… like Martin and Yourself. Im not trying to be mean, just trying to call it as I see it. For Instance, no detailed scripural exegesis...

This is the breakdown though. You cant have God decreeing inability, and then say he is meaningfully giving humans choice. Its not a mystery. Its not a secondary cause so it doesnt count. You are correct that if you or any calvinist can say that God causes inability but has really given...

Ill answer but Ill be busy until tomorrow pm for what you are requesting. I personally think that the last exchange with Martin is telling and a prime example of why these dialogues break down and always will. Calvinist says “God holds no one back from believing”. Non-calvinist says “Except...

So God ordains that everyone has Total Inability and that no one wants Him, but He then ordains some to be saved. And you want me to just look at the second group and forget the first group that God has ordained Inability for on your system? Im not talking about your Saved group… Im talking...

He just ordains that they will have Total Inability to believe. But He’s not holding people back because He just makes them never want to believe in the first place… no problem!

Its about quite a bit more than that, even for a compatibalist! I have listened to you and many others quite a bit and if this defined calvinism, everyone would be one. No there are far more severe differences. That was clarified for me in this thread.

I didnt define what is necessary to get into Christ, just that people must exercise faith. Certainly there are many graces that God gives to overcome things. As far as Chapter 1 of Ephesians, i think you downplay our views. God chose Christ from before the foundation of the word. Peter says...

There are 2 Layers that the calvinist does not recognize or distinguish. 1. Getting INTO “Christ”: This group is never said to be predestined to be chosen to get into this group, it is always by the individual’s faith. 2. Those IN “Christ”: Those in this group are predestined to be conformed...

You jumped in on Dave’s comment, and this was his premise. Don’t ask me to try and back-date your argument and now start re-working what was being discussed before you jumped in. But I’ll ask you: Do you think Holy and Blameless in Eph 1:4 is different than Holy and Blameless in Eph 5:27? Do...

Ephesians is out of time looking at God’s eternal plan of predestining the faithful In Christ to be Holy and Blameless at Glorification Colossians is in time reminding the Colossians that IF they remain faithfully In Christ they will be presented Holy and Blameless at Glorification. Both are...

I think you have this wrong. Colossians and Ephesians share about 70% of the same verses. They were written and carried at the same time. The phrase Holy and Blameless is only used in these 2 books. Both phrases of Holy and Blameless in chapter 1’s of Col and Eph are about the end result of...

There is no dispute on needing holiness to see God, or that it is imputed. The question is: is this the point Paul is making here? According to Eph 5:27, the phrase in the context of Ephesians is about Glorification. Additionally, Colossians, which shares about 60-70% of Ephesians and was...

I would love for you to address the point about this being about the adoption as sons at glorification, not at salvation. I would love for you to specifically address Col 1:22-23 Seeing as it is a parallel to Eph 1:4-5. And that Eph 5:27 also supports ”holy and blameless“ as also at...

And what you say here is true, but in Eph 1:4 Paul is talking about presenting believers before Christ at the consummation, not what you are suggesting. You would need ro go to other passages for what you are talking about. A believers pre destined path that Christ has is that they will be...

In 2 Thess 2 From the beginning of what? The beginning of Paul’s missions. “From the first fruits” as some early manuscripts say. And by connecting this with Eph 1:4, you would end up with a contradiction: Chose BEFORE the foundation of the world Chose FROM the beginning Now you have made...