Married in our hearts ( A question)

So even though married unbelievers are united by the state they are un-married in the eyes of God. So in the eyes of God they are fornicating.

And since they are not married in the eyes of God they are free to disolve there union for any reason.

 

In the eyes of God, they are already dead.

 

I have tried to make my argument. But like I said, I am interested in your argument. Why do you believe that marrage is only for believers.

Just so I understand. If unbelievers are married and then become believers during the marrage. They are unmarried in the eyes of God and should imediatly go to a church and be married in the eyes of God if they choose to remain in their relationship.

 

They are married in the sight of God also.

 

Why hijack the OP? He's looking for advice and off y'all go in another direction!

 

Awww Shucks DM...I wasn't trying to hijack the OP....but Bibleman was raising a question as to what constitutes a marriage if I remember correctly so I was just trying to broaden the scope of things and make the discussion more "interesting".Besides...that's just how this "steel-trap"of a mind I have works...LOL!

Greg Sr.

 

A biblical marriage is a commitment between the two people involved and God, and it's a commitment that's made publicly.

 

Then, using this logic, homosexual marriage is a marriage in the eyes of God. If they make it legal to "marry" a horse, that would be binding in the eyes of God.

You cannot enter into a contract with someone whom you do not know.

If you're not a believer when you enter into a human contract and then you become a believer, then you are still legally bound to that person, until the contract is broken. However, it is at that point that you would make the covenant with God or not.

For example, if you and your spouse are both practicing witches, and you accept Jesus as your savior. If you choose not to remain with your spouse, then you are not bound to God for that. However, if you make that commitment while a believer, you are bound by it. </font>[/QUOTE]Let me see if I have this right. Since my wife was a born again believer when we married then in the eyes of God she is married to me. At the time of the marriage I was not a born again believer so I am not married to her in the eyes of God.

I guess that means I am committing Adultery since in the eyes of God I am not married to wife. Now I am not quite sure if my wife is guilty of Adultery , fornication, or if she is completely innocent based upon your statements.

How can I be her husband in the eyes of God, but she not be my wife? Your statements don't make any logical or biblical sense.

Bill

 

That's not what I said, now is it? I said it's not a biblical marriage. You're not held to the same standards of commitment, because as someone who was spiritually dead, you were unable to make a commitment to God. However, your wife was a Christian, and once you were born from above, your obligations shifted.

If a homosexual were married in the eyes of man was saved, would he still be married in the eyes of God?

Why or why not?

 

I ponder this question quite often. I honestly think it is wrong of us to assume that we have to go to preacher, justice of the peace, or anyone else to be married. This idea is simply unbiblical. There are countless marriages spoken of in the Bible, yet there is never even a hint of there being a ceremony that makes it "official". I truly believe that is two Christians believe they are married, they are married in the eyes of God. (Of course, this means those same people are subject to the Biblical rules concerning divorce, so break ups would be much more difficult.) To claim, as some have, that you have to be married in the eyes of the state in order to be married in God's eyes seems to be placing limits on what God can do. It implies that you must have a civil ceremony before God can consider you to be married.

Now, after saying all of that, I feel it is important to state that I cannot think of one good reason for Christians to not be legally married in the United States. If you want to be married to a person, it is in no way difficult to have it done. It would seem that not actually getting married would just be a way to "be a rebel" and there is no benefit in that.

 

Now that was enlightening....NOT!!!!

The Bible is specific about us living by the laws of the land, One of the laws of the land is one must obtain a permit to marry.

Now, if the law is telling you to do something that is sin, then no, you are not bound by it.

James, do you have a driver's license? Because by your logic, you don't need one since cars and driving are not in the Bible. Do you have your own business? One must have a permit to do that. We must obey those that have authority over us. That is in God's Word. If the law says you need a permit, you better obey and get that permit. If it says you must go before a preacher, a jp, or a ship's captian, you had better obey God's word and submit to the authorities set over you.

Not getting married is not being a rebel. Paul said, 'To the unmarried and widowed, I would that you remain, even as I...'

 

I still don't get what Bibleman was saying in the OP about "it being ok"...........what is it that your girlfriend is saying is "ok"? To have an exclusive relationship? To consider your relationship inviolate as if you were already married? Are you looking for an argument to use to be able to date other people?

Id call that engagement. To me, being engaged is only a small step away from being married. In the OP you said stay away from the physical part, and thats absolutely necessary until an actual marriage takes place.

The Bible says we are to be subject to the laws of our country as long as they don't violate God's Word. Thus, what our culture deems as needful for an official marriage is what we ought to abide by.

 

Amen Scarlett and Bapmom!

 

Atanding firm, first, I think we both know that when I mentioned not being married and being a rebel I was not talking about people that make the decision to abstain from relationships and sexual activity. I was speaking about people that are in a relationship that appears to be a marriage, and simply refuse to be legally married. Further, you do not have to appear before a magistrate or a member of the clergy to live with another person. This is a function of our tax code and other statutes that have little, if anything, to do with the legality of living with another person in what would be considered a "traditional" marriage relationship.

Your driver's liscense comment simply does not work. There is no case in the Bible where someone drove a car without being granted that ability by the government. But, as we can see from the first marriage, there are marriages that did not begin with a wedding ceremony of any kind. Adam and Eve clearly did not have a wedding supper, or anything of the like. Isaac's marriage is also a clear cut case of a marriage not being something that is even close to what we have today. You can make all the arguments and throw around veiled insults until your heart is content, but it does not change the fact. The way our system of marriage today functions is not even close to what a marriage is in the Bible.

 

It's my belief that when you are "married in your hearts" that you are in fact married in God's eyes. Now, obviously, I can't KNOW God's mind on this issue, but I feel that God told us that it is He who marries people when He had recorded in the Bible, "what God has brought together, let not man put asunder". The ceremony that is performed is for the public announcement that you are married... You are bringing that point into the light... You are letting other people know what God and you already know.

BTW... Adam and Eve ONLY had God... Oh how I wish I could ONLY have God the way that they did, amen?

 

In a word: no.

This sound like the old "marriage is just a piece of paper" mentality. Marriage is not just a private commitment between two people. It is a very public commitment made before God and in the presence of witnesses. Even civil weddings require witnesses for validity.

So, in other words, no, it is not possible to be "married in one's heart" and be truly married.

 

Marriage is a LIFELONG commitment to each other before a MINISTER and in THE SIGHT OF GOD.YOU TAKE VOWS to each other and to God. That is a marriage. Unless all those things transpire, you are only evading reality.

 

Bibleman2k6 said:

She contends thats its possible to be married in our hearts and that as long as we dont do anything physical its ok .

Marriage, by definition, involves not only intellectual and emotional bonding, but physical as well. "Therefore a man shall leave his father and his mother and hold fast to his wife, and they shall become one flesh" (Gen. 2:24).

It is assumed, both biblically and culturally, that a marriage relationship is sexual.

 

Ron Arndt...can you give us Chapter and Verse from the Word of God for what you say in your post above?

Greg Sr.