Charismatic-leaning Southern Baptists being betrayed, excluded, says pastor

All I can say to Ron Phillips is don't forget to shut the door on the way out.

I just love it how guys like Phillips who are as different as daylight and dark when it comes to his views and Burleson's views all of a sudden they see things eye to eye. Bureleson has calvinist leanings while Phillips is a full blown pentecostal.
I've seen Phillips do his hubie jubie tongues on TV more than once and everytime he supposedly speaks in tongues nobody is there to interpret.
According to Phillips if you don't speak in tongues I guess your not "led by the Spirit"?

I hope when he held his "revivals" in these "moderate" churches I wonder if any of them got revived enough to repent of their Neo-orthodox view of the Bible? He is full of bologna. There can't be revivals in churches where the "entire Word of God" is looked upon as the exclusive authority. Those moderate churches are in decline and are spiritually dry because they hold to a low view of Scripture. I know I 've been in plenty of them in NC. The most nauseating place you can be is in a baptist church where they don't know for sure if the Bible is inerrant or not?
The fact of the matter is this:
Ron Phillips is leaving the SBC the SBC hasnt' went anywhere. Maybe he can team up with Benny Hinn.
Honestly, I have watched this guy many,many times. He makes me laugh. I know anyday now he is going to be on TBN leading a praise-a-thon.
Here is a revealing statement:

"Phillips said he and his congregation are partnering for missions and evangelism wherever they find acceptance and support."

He is looking for attention plain and simple.
I don't know what James Robison went through as a SBC man when he had his experience. I don't see him blasting away at his old denom. He is just doing what he thinks God wants him to do.
Mr. Phillips should do the same. I think by watching his preaching etc... I think he wants us all to know there is a Ron Phillips.

Here is a laugh at one time on Sunday mornings I used to listen to a couple of my favorite preachers. Dr. Stanley and Dr. Rogers while getting ready for church. The particular station had Phillips on between Rogers and Stanley.
Honestly that was like comedy relief during intermission.

 

"Is not looked upon as final authority" I left out the word "not" in my above post.

Big boo boo. Sorry.

 

THough my experience with charimatic SB's is limited. I can tell you one thing with asuredness. The charismatics in the SBC have for years thought they were the only southern baptists, so it's no surprise that they're getting upset that we noncharismatics are also SBC.

 

Consider the words of Gamaliel in Acts 5:34-39,

He then spoke with great deliberation and calmness, saying: "Ye men of Israel, take heed to yourselves what ye intend to do as touching these men. For before these days rose up Theudas, boasting himself to be somebody; to whom a number of men, about four hundred, joined themselves: who was slain; and all, as many as obeyed him, were scattered, and brought to nought. After this man rose up Judas of Galilee in the days of the taxing, and drew away much people after him: he also perished; and all, even as many as obeyed him, were dispersed. And now I say unto you, Refrain from these men, and let them alone: for if this counsel or this work be of men, it will come to nought: but if it be of God, ye cannot overthrow it; lest haply ye be found even to fight against God."

 

Since Phillips has no understanding of the counterfeit gift of tongues nor grasp of the commands Paul gives for it's proper use he is to be relegated to the rhelm of the ignorant. Since he has used the unknown tongue without interpretation he forfeits the right to practice it publicly but allowed to use it privately. He does not speak it in the form Paul perscribes in 1 Cor.14:27(by 2 or at most 3) which is a referance to the different types or kinds of counterfeit versions of so called tongues being propagated by an unusually crafty sorcerror within Corinth. This sorcerror was exposed and destroyed through the craftier apostle Paul but his work and influence goes on through guy like Phillips and the rest of the so called tongues movement.

 

Are there really that many charismatic Southern Baptists? Outside of Ron Phillips, who are some others you all know of? I can't imagine any more than 3%-5% of Southern Baptist pastors or churches being charismatic. Do you all agree.

 

No. I'm guessing that it accounts for maybe 5% of SBC baptists being charismatic. That's in line with your guesstimation, I noticed.

 

I don't know how many there are in the SBC that call themselves charismatic, but a few years ago I was on vacation and stopped at a small Baptist Church in Kentucky. At the time I didn't know it was SBC, but I found out later. They didn't call or consider themselves to be charismatic (I talked to the Pastor and some members after service about that), but the Sunday School lesson that morning was on how to properly interpret when someone was speaking in tongues. I probably should have walked out, but I stayed to see where they were going with the idea. By the end I realized that they felt speaking in tongues was a common practice. Let's just say I'll never stop there again.

PastorMark.

 

I have found this rather perplexing. I always thought that the terms charasmatic and SBC were contrary to each other and yet, we find that the charasmatic element of the SBC feels betrayed. I'm surprised that they ever felt accepted taking such an opposing theological stance.

 

Charasmatic Baptists often use the term "Bapticostal", as has been pointed out there are a number of Bapticostal SBC churches, yet there are also two other Baptist denominations that are openly charasmatic, being the Pentecostal Freewill Baptist and the Full Gospel Baptist

http://www.pfwb.org/

http://www.fullgospelbaptist.org/

 

PastorMark,

Just curious, but where was this charismatic Southern Baptist church located in Kentucky? Was it in western, northern, central, or eastern Kentucky.

I actually thought of one single Southern Baptist Church I know of that went charismatic for a short time. During that time, most of the members left and the church dropped out of their local association. Fortunately after the charismatic pastor left for another church, some of the former members came back, called a conservative Baptist pastor and now the church is a very sound Baptist church.

 

This is true. My mother is this way. (She doesn't understand why anyone would take notes during a sermon either though.)

My personal definition for charasmatic involves tongues, healing services, being slain in the Spirit . . .

 

The question is, should we not allow missionaries who hold these views to serve?

Burleson is not in anyway "pentecostal" in is teaching or personal views. His objection is the new restriction placed on missionaries. Should the SBC kick out all missionaries who have a "private prayer language"? If so then the head of the IMB would never be allowed to be a missionary.

 

Grasshopper -- that isn't a question addressed in this thread. This thread is on charasmatic SBC churches and not private prayer language or Burleson's views.

 

The church in Kentucky was central, near Danville.

Mark.

 

This all stems from the recent events of the IMB. It is all about how restrictive the SBC is going to be. Is the SBC going to cooperate with other Baptist who differ on certain issues. The article was not about charasmatic churches as much it was about how "cooperative" the SBC is going to be. It is a question that is going to have to be dealt with sooner or later.

 

No. I'm guessing that it accounts for maybe 5% of SBC baptists being charismatic. That's in line with your guesstimation, I noticed. </font>[/QUOTE]I have read articles that claim 20% and growing&gt;
Missionaries within the SBC are estimated at about 50 %.

You cannot stop a mighty rushing wind.
You can mock and say they are full of new wine.
But this is that which the Prophet Joel spoke about that would happen in the last days.
Read the book of Joel and 5 times in strategic places the term "new wine " is used.
When Peter heard the term "new wine" The Holy spirit brought things to his remembrance as Jesus said the Holy Spirit would do.

 

If they want to speak in tongues, they should join a charismatic church and quit bringing division to Baptist churches.