Since you have been a Baptist, have you . . .

Once, for a wedding.

 

Teh fact that the scholars 'proposed' their view means nothing. Jesus said 'Let the dead bury their dead'. The child of God is nowhere mentioned as dead in this context of dead. The child of God is very much full of life.

 

It is my personal conviction that those individuals who deliberately and willfully make public statements that maliciously and slanderously represent the body of Christ have no hope in glory but will spend eternity in the fires of hell with the rest of the infidels!

Contrary to the blasphemous filth so eagerly circulated by some infidels who falsly call themselves Baptists, the Roman Catholic church holds to and teaches justification by faith in Christ:

</font>[/QUOTE]The exact quote that I was responding to: "What if it were a church that practiced bloodletting and denounced God? If it were a family member of yours who insisted before death that he or she did not want a christian funeral and wanted their funeral to be held at their blasphemous church?"

Then, you responded: "Of course, any Christian man would. But, of course, a man that is not a Christian may be so wicked and self righteous that he would not care enough to go."

Where do you draw the line? Would you go to a Satanic church to "honor" a family member? A Pagan church that practices animal sacrifice?

You may call me wicked and evil all you want, but I will not set foot in a religious ceremony that honors any god other than Yahweh. I may disagree with Catholic doctrine and Episcopal doctrine, but they worship the same God.

 

Your Eisegesis of Scripture is frightening.

Doing that people can make Scripture say whatever they want.

Word studies are useless without the proper context of the passage.

 

I do believe I used the proper context. Christ was looking for dedication, recruiting disciples. A disciple asked to go bury his father before serving the Lord. The Lord told him to let the dead bury the dead. We are to follow Christ first and foremost. If one is more concerned about family than following Christ, he is not worthy of Christ.

(My bad, I just saw that post was for sfiC. But I see we both see eye to eye on the subject.)

Christ first and foremost.

 

Amen, Diggin. I feel the same way!

 

And how does going to a funeral preclude one from following Christ?

 

That is still a description of a works based salvation even at its most benign. We are not an "associate with" Christ as the Redeemer. His work was all that is required... and all that is satisfactory.

 

Its not the view of scholars, its proven historical fact. When we interpret Scripture we must do so with a a historical approach as well as gramatical. Your arrogance is sad.

So would you go to a funeral of any unsaved family, say your mother, if it were held in a church other than Catholic?

 

Exactally!

 

That is probably about as good a response as I should have expected I suppose....

Being an "associate" is an active participant in "redemption"... which is by definition a cooperative or works based salvation.

 

What are purgatory, pennance, confession, and the mass all about Craig? Does the RCC teach that the 7 sacraments have salvific value? Does the RCC not teach that grace is something dispensed by the Church?

"Blasphemous filth"? Since when is it blasphemous to question the doctrinal teachings of the RCC?

 

Sanctification which is part of salvation and justification.

 

Sanctification stems from justification but it is not a part of it, or acquiring it. They are two totally separate things. The RCC teaches a sanctification based justification which is nothing more than justification by works.

 

Not exactly.

Salvation past
initial justification
initial sanctification

Catholics and protestants may not agree to the terminology but both would agree that this is by grace without works. Catholics would say this happens through baptism which protestants would say is a work.

Salvation present
progressive justification
progressive sanctification

Both Catholics and protestants would agree that this involves works.

Salvation future
final justification
final sanctification

When we die we are finally justified/sanctified

Many protestants like to characterize justification as salvation past and sanctification as salvation present. But I believe a more biblical way of looking at it is seeing justification and sanctification as things that have a past, present and future element.