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Dead Sea Scrolls

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  1. menageriekeeper

    menageriekeeper Active Member

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    Cassie has a research project to do for her Social Studies class. The Dead Sea Scrolls somehow managed to become her subject matter. Can't complain, could have much worse (various Greek gods were also on the list :rolleyes: )

    I've done a few Google's on the subject but I'm getting the same basic information. This particular teacher is going to want something more.

    So.....any BBer's out there know of any good sources of info that maybe go beyond the "urns found in the caves by boys throwing stones" stuff we've found so far?

    I know there has to be more than what I'm finding.

    Thanks!

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    #1 menageriekeeper, Feb 28, 2006
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  3. Hope of Glory

    Hope of Glory New Member

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    I would point you to one of my old textbooks, but you're there, I'm here, and my book is in my parents' basement.
     
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  4. Helen

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    There are two sets of Dead Sea Scrolls. The oldest are those which predate 70 AD and have a text type that agrees with the Alexandrian Septuagint (the LXX which was translated several hundred years BEFORE Christ). This text type also agrees with the quotes in the New Testament. The writings of the church fathers also follow this text type.

    These oldest scrolls contained fragments from all of the Old Testament.

    The other set of scrolls is more recent, dating from around 100 AD. These agree with the Masoretic text type, which originated about the same time, at the Council of Jamnia.

    From "Ministry", Nov. 1987, "The Old Testament text in antiquity" by Siegfried H. Horn, professor emeritus of archeology at Andrews University, p. 5:
    So the biblical Dead Sea scroll material can clearly be divided into two groups: (1) the 170 manuscripts from the 11 Qumran caves and the biblical fragments from Masada, all of which predate A.D. 70, and (2) the manuscripts from the other desert caves in the Wadi Murabba'at, the Nahal Hever, and the Nahal Se'elim, hidden there during the early part of the second century A.D.

    The second-century manuscripts from the second group are practically identical with the Masoretic text. This is especially true of the scroll of the minor prophets from the Wadi Murabba'at, of which 26 percent has been preserved.

    On the other hand, the biblical manuscripts from the Qumran caves and from Masada, which all predate the council of Jamnia, show more variation in texty form as well as the type of script used."

    If you would like me to get you a photocopy of the article, please email me with your address (bhs4light@charter.net).
     
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  5. Boanerges

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  6. menageriekeeper

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    Excentric, your link didn't work, but I'll search for the site, thanks.

    Hope of Glory, if you have a title for that textbook I can search the libraries around here for it. (or Amazon)

    Helen, I've sent you and e'mail. Thanks!

    Boanerges, very interesting. Thank you.
     
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  7. Enoch

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  8. exscentric

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    Sorry, remove the comma after .org

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    Also the I've seen the following cd on ads. If you have time you might hit the used/out of date software sites.

    http://www.centuryone.com/720-7.html
     
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  9. Hope of Glory

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    If the text book was worthwhile, it would not be in my parents' basement. I would have it with me and could tell you the title. It was for an OT survey class, though.
     
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  10. menageriekeeper

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    Cool sites Enoch!

    Hehe, I guess if I'd paid close enough attention I would have figured that out, Excentric. My mind doesn't work if I'm in a hurry. Those CD's look interesting so I'll look around for them. Gives me an excuse to go on Ebay.

    I knew I could count on the BB for good info!

    Thanks Everyone!
     
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  11. mioque

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    menageriekeeper
    The study of the Dead Sea Scrolls has produced its own brand of pseudo-scholarship.
    Just be carefull when books start mentioning cover ups, Essenes, fungi and the Vatican and you'll be o.k..
     
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  12. Eleazar the Ahohite

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    Just a note:
    There's no such thing as a greek septuagint before Christ. Not a shred of evidence besides a lot of speculative hot air because it upset somebody that the author of the book, i.e. the Holy Spirit, could loosely quote his own work in the New Testament from the Old Testament.
    The first guy to get upset was Origen. And that's the earliest shred of septuagint we have; Origen's hexapla.

    I've read the Dead Sea Scrolls. Would be glad to help with any specific information.
     
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  13. Helen

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    That's funny, we have the Alexandrian LXX right here and it was translated about 250 years before Christ!
     
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    Sure

    ....but can you find any evidence of a NEW TESTAMENT septuagint before Christ? :eek: :D

    Rob ;)
     
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  15. Boanerges

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    First of all, we must be careful. The Torah was translated into Greek early, but the other books may have been done much later. There are some LXX fragments in the DSS inventory, but the Greek mss there are in a minority.

    http://ccat.sas.upenn.edu/rs/rak/lxxjewpap/7QEx.jpg

    http://ccat.sas.upenn.edu/rs/rak/lxxjewpap/PRyl458b.jpg

    http://ccat.sas.upenn.edu/rs/rak/lxxjewpap/4QLevA.jpg

    http://ccat.sas.upenn.edu/rs/rak/lxxjewpap/4QLevB.jpg

    Another link that may be of interest:

    http://ccat.sas.upenn.edu/rs/rak/lxxjewpap/tetragram.jpg

    [ March 01, 2006, 08:43 PM: Message edited by: Boanerges ]
     
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  16. Marcia

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    Maybe Cassie should go to a library as well as search the Internet. In some schools (especially some colleges and postgraduate) you can't use the Internet as a resource for more than 10% of the total resources. I'm not sure if Cassie's teacher has limited them like this. So it's good to learn to use library resources now for later.

    Also, not all the info in books is on the Internet.
     
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  17. BruceB

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    Don't know if this would be useful to you or not, but we were in Charlotte NC this past weekend and Discovery Place (nice science museum oriented to kids/teenagers) had a big billboard up on I-85 advertising the Dead Sea Scrolls exhibit. I got no details at all from the billboard, and we were tied up with the Special Olympic's Basketball Tournament so I didn't follow up. Maybe you could find something on Google (besides all the good refs above)? Bruce
     
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  18. menageriekeeper

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    Marcia, the library would be the first place we'd go, if I didn't have drive 60 miles to the nearest one with a decent reference section. We have one small library in our town that serves our entire county (about 35,000 people). The internet is our best source of info here. I'm also going to check our church library. We have a pretty good one as far as church libraries go.

    The teacher doesn't care where the references come from so long as they are properly documented and there is more than one. Some of the kids will do the encyclopedia thing and be done. That doesn't get them an A!

    BruceB, we have actually been to the Discovery Place. It was a few years ago when T had a business trip up that way and I needed to keep 3 kids busy for a few hours. Unfortunately, I can't afford a trip at the moment. Wish I could, spring break is coming up in a couple of weeks.
     
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  19. Boanerges

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  20. menageriekeeper

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    Finally a moment to update:

    Cassie is working her way through all of this. She is beginning to get an idea of how she wants to put this project together(complete with a recreated scroll and/or scroll fragments).

    Helen, thanks so much for the article. We got it in the mail Friday! I couldn't believe it got here that quickly. Cassie said for me to make sure I told you that she said Thank You too. The other kids are always thrilled when I get something from an "internet friend", so they were interested too. Sometimes, I think kids just don't comprehend that there really is a live person on the other end of the computer link. You're not real until they have something tangible to see and feel.

    Thanks again everyone!
     
    #20 menageriekeeper, Mar 7, 2006
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