The Wicked Bible and the Wicked War

The Jews and Arabs have been fighting since Sarah and Haagar. Haagar bore Abraham a son named Ishmael, father of the Arab nation and Sarah bore a son Isaac forming the Jewish nation.

They have been at war ever since and forever will be. persoanlly i think it is their own business and we should have stayed out of it. although getting Sadam is a minor victory. I don't think much will change because we have been there.

I believe we should stand by our president no matter what. we cannot change anything so we have to trust that God knows what he is doing by having this war. It has been ordained by God or it wouldn't be happening. I may not agree with everything Bush does but I support him and our troops. I do think it does show other nations that we are not to be messed with when it comes to bombing us.

 

Not gonna waste my time. Bye-bye!

 

See ya.

 

I think Bush and Caesar are in for a surprise on the day of judgement. Hmm... Bush, rich man, hummm... camel, eye of needle, heaven. Ooh, ooh, I'm having a vision, a prophecy!

 

That's preposterous. Bush, however much you don't like him, professes Christ as his saviour.

And Job was rich. Are you going to profess him unsaved, as well ?

I think what yer having is a dream.

 

It's convenient taking pot shots at people who are restraining themselves, huh? Nice and safe.

 

Prove to me that they are doing it with killing with impunity. What do you accuse them of coveting? Do you really think this was about stealing their oil??? Then why are our gas prices over $2.00 a gallon if the U.S. now owns all this oil?

As I recall, Sadam shot at our plans over the no-fly zone on UN business. That is an act of war perpetrated by the government of Iraq. Also, providing aid and comfort to terrorists. Immediately following 9/11 people really liked Bush's statement saying that if you even harbored a terrorist you were one of them, well ol' Saddam's government not only provided safe haven but funneled weapons to them and used them as instruments of state policy.

All that in addition to his use of WMD's on his own people.

We were attacked by the terrorists, to attack someone who is in league with them is the same as striking back against those who attacked us.

That is justification. Unless, of course, you want to say that every war the U.S. has ever fought was in violation of this commandment.

 

Under the direct command of God?


Hmmm, does this mean you think our own Founding Fathers shouldn't have begun the Revolutionary War, because they didn't have a direct command from God?

Or, or, how 'bout them folks down to the Alamo fighting for Texas' freedom. Don't recall them having a direct command.

And Lincoln, should he have just allowed the country to split when the South seceded? What command did God give him?

I'm not sure you can prove that the US government has ever lied, stolen, covetted or murdered with impunity or is doing so at the moment.

Just because you and I don't like this war doesn't mean our government didn't have the authority to start it. If we don't like it, we need to vote out those who hold the offices that led us into war.

Our government is by the people, for the people. That puts the responsibility for this war right back on our shoulders since we were the ones who elected Shr--Bush in the first place.(not by my vote, but majority rules)

 

Brother James is right. We made Saddam what he was. And only now is Iraq a haven for terrorists, us and them.

We may not agree with how Saddam ran his country, but let's be real, we didn't go there to defend ourselves, or the UN. We didn't even go to liberate the people. If this were our motivation, then why didn't we do the same when many other leaders have perpetrated far worse crimes against their own people.

N. Korea has been worse for years. Africa is full of terrible dictators. Pakistan has nuclear weapons. Israel itself has abused Palestine, and then blames them for fighting back. We do nothing, in fact we support these regimes, because they help our political causes and our military industrial complex...plain and simple.

And, yes, our gas is still high despite our taking over Iraq, hmmm.

 

I wouldn't lift a finger to help the UN. The UN "Peacekeepers" have been responsible for a great many more rapes in the past 10 years than probably the whole US military since WW2.

 

Brother James:

I have not read over all pages of this thread so forgive me if I repeat what someone else has already said...

I think the article you posted has some very serious theological problems in it. I don't have the time, nor desire, to go through the article and pick out each one in detail. However I do wish to take a brief exception to one or two.

==Real heavy language from someone who can't get their facts right. Christian warmongers? Perverting the Bible "deliberately"? Come on. The fact is that many Christians, and non-Christians, believe the war in Iraq was/is a necessary event. There are no "Christian warmongers". If that were true than King David was a warmonger and, worse yet, God was a warmonger! Such a thought is blasphemy! The Bible accepts the reality of war. The Old and New Testaments never ONCE, not even ONCE, condemn soldiers who are in war. In fact when Jesus comes face to face with a roman soldier He does not condemn him (see Matt 8:5-13).

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==Actually it is an accepted FACT by scholars that the term should not be translated "kill" but "murder". Thus the reason the so-called "modern translations" translate the term "murder" and not "kill". Translating it "kill" is misleading because the Bible clearly supports capital punishment (ex: Gen 9:6) and God's people were sent into war by God and His prophets(ex: Ex 17:8-16). So clearly the commandment DOES NOT condemn all war nor the soldiers in war.

The article you pasted is misleading in this fashion.

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==This author is twisting facts and misleading his readers. The author cannot show where the Bible condemns war or soldiers in war (see above) so his argument is mute.

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==What part of get all the facts does this author not understand? The fact is he is cherry picking verses (etc) to support his position. When a person takes the whole Bible and examines all the facts one sees that this author is misleading his readers.

This gentleman will answer to God for his careless use of Holy Scripture. I can only pray he repents and seeks the grace of God through Christ Jesus.

Martin.

 

So called Christians have murdered so many in the name of God. Will you ever be angered by their use of the name of God to justify economic and political gain? Who are you people? Christians, I think not. Look at yourselves in the mirror, now! And confees your sins! I rebuke you!

 

We're not talking about Job. Changing the subject, "red herring" doesn't work. Bush is not acting in a Christlike manner. I have no doubt that the Anti-Christ would proclaim himself whatever he had to in order to obtain power. One cannot just say he is a Christian and get my vote.

 

Before we go on bashing Bush's faith or lack thereof , let's remember that only he and God know for sure. If you want to bash him, do it on the tangible stuff.

Oh, and Bro. Curtis, Bill Clinton also professed Christ as his savior, and he was still vilified by the Republican machine. Was called many names, and had his salvation questioned many times.

 

Are you talking about the Conquistadors or the Spanish Inquisition? Or perhaps the Crusaders? Or maybe John Calvin? Yes, they've already angered me.

I'm afraid that doesn't have as much weight as it would if I supposed you were right on this.