Great white throne judgment:

You are mistaken.

 

The mythical judgments according to dispensationalism, repeated by Ed Ed.

 

Amen, Brother Me4Him - Preach it

Your half-dozen verses blow those
anti-Millinnial-Kingdom, anti-rapture,
anti-dispensational a-mills right out of the
water. Time to be something instead of
again' everything.

 

The mythical judgments according to dispensationalism, repeated by Ed Ed. </font>[/QUOTE]Scripture is not a "cobweb" of events, everything is laid out in a "Schedule", you'll never "SEE/UNDERSTAND" the "order" in which the scriptures are arranged/written until you understand that "Schedule".

 

2 Corinthians 5:10: For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.

As I said, claiming otherwise contradicts Scripture.

 

I must confess, though I am familiar with it, that I do not understand the passage you quote in the context of other Scripture. For example, if we take the passage literally does it not conflict with the following Scripture as far as sins are concerned?

1 John 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

1 John 2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:

Though the forgiveness of God may not erase the temporal affect of our sin it certainly eliminates the eternal penalty.

Also does not a literal interpretation conflict with the following Scripture as far as good works are concerned?

Luke 17:7-10
7 But which of you, having a servant plowing or feeding cattle, will say unto him by and by, when he is come from the field, Go and sit down to meat?
8 And will not rather say unto him, Make ready wherewith I may sup, and gird thyself, and serve me, till I have eaten and drunken; and afterward thou shalt eat and drink?
9 Doth he thank that servant because he did the things that were commanded him? I trow not.
10 So likewise ye, when ye shall have done all those things which are commanded you, say, We are unprofitable servants: we have done that which was our duty to do.

Luke 12:48
But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more.

Perhaps the words of Jesus Christ to the Apostle Peter, properly understood, can clear up the problem.

Luke 19:28-30
28 Then Peter said, Lo, we have left all, and followed thee.
29 And he said unto them, Verily I say unto you, There is no man that hath left house, or parents, or brethren, or wife, or children, for the kingdom of God’s sake,
30 Who shall not receive manifold more in this present time, and in the world to come life everlasting.

 

I agree that Scripture is not a "cobweb" of events but you dispensationalists have made it so. To disprove what I say show me one single passage of Scripture that teaches a pretrib rapture.

Is the "fictional schedule" to which you refer Larkin's charts or LeHaye's charts?

[ March 17, 2006, 01:47 AM: Message edited by: OldRegular ]

 

Somone help me out. I did a word search of my KJV Bible and could not find the words "bema seat". Do I need to search another translation or is "bema seat" just another filament in the fictional dispensational "cobweb"?

I do hate to run into "cobwebs", especially at night. Never know whether its a black widow, a brown recluse, or just some little innocent hunting a meal.

 

Matthew 19:28 And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

Me4him

What is your justification for claiming the regeneration in the above passage refers to an earthly millennial reign?

 

The "bema" is the judgment seat. Many people try to say that only good rewards will be handed out at the Judgment Seat. But, when Pilate sat upon his judgment seat, I don't think that what he handed out to Jesus was a good reward, in and of itself. Here are all the verses that contain "bema":

MAT 27: 19 ___________________________ JON 19: 13 ___________________________
ACT 7: 5 ___________________________ ACT 12: 21 ___________________________
ACT 18: 12 ___________________________ ACT 18: 16 ___________________________
ACT 18: 17 ___________________________ ACT 25: 6 ___________________________
ACT 25: 10 ___________________________ ACT 25: 17 ___________________________
ROM 14: 10 ___________________________ 2CO 5: 10 ___________________________

 

Thanks Hope of Glory!

So there is nothing special about the "BEMA SEAT"? Bema is just the Greek for judgment? And all this time the way dispensationalists threw it around I thought it was something special.

You say

Are you Implying the RC's are correct about purgatory? We have to get rid of those bad rewards somewhere. Can't take them to heaven, or rather the new heaven and new earth.

 

Rom 14:10 (KJV1769 with Strong's)
But1161 why5101 dost thou4771 judge2919 thy4675 brother?80 or2228, (2532) why5101 dost thou4771 set at naught1848 thy4675 brother?80 for1063 we shall all3956 stand before3936 the3588 judgment seat968 of Christ.5547

From Strong's:

G968
βῆμα
bēma
bay'-ma
From the base of G939; a step, that is,
foot breath; by implication a rostrum,
that is, tribunal: - judgment-seat,
set [foot] on, throne.


So when I looked in my KJV (from e-Sword)
I found 'bema'. Strange how the KJV can
be understood better if you look at the
Greek behind it.

Has nothing to do with 'dispensationalism'.
BTW, even if one sets
dispensatin = 0, they still have a
dispensatinalist Doctrine. So when one condems
dispensationalists, one condemns one's self

 

the phrase "judging the twelve tribes of Israel"
refers to the earth, not to heaven.
In heaven the 12 tribes will already be
judged and will need no more judgement.
It is on the earth, in the Millinnial Messanic
Kingdom that selected church saints
will be "judging the twelve tribes of Israel".

 

My understanding of the RC version of Purgatory is that it is a place where people either earn their salvation or they don't. Thankfully, our salvation is not based upon works. (Now, we are told that the Lord chastizes his children...)

 

My understanding of the RC version of Purgatory is that it is a place where people either earn their salvation or they don't. Thankfully, our salvation is not based upon works. (Now, we are told that the Lord chastizes his children...) </font>[/QUOTE]It is also the place where they are purified from veniel or punished for mortal sins. If Jesus Christ judges us for the bad things we do how are we punished?

The Lord does chastize His children but that is during our lifetime on earth, not at the Great White Throne Judgment, which by the way, is the only judgment.

 

the phrase "judging the twelve tribes of Israel"
refers to the earth, not to heaven.
In heaven the 12 tribes will already be
judged and will need no more judgement.
It is on the earth, in the Millinnial Messanic
Kingdom that selected church saints
will be "judging the twelve tribes of Israel". </font>[/QUOTE]I believe you and me4Him need to learn what regeneration means. Read the following:

1) new birth, reproduction, renewal, recreation, regeneration
1a) hence renovation, regeneration, the production of a new life consecrated to God, a radical change of mind for the better. The word often used to denote the restoration of a thing to its pristine state, its renovation, as a renewal or restoration of life after death
1b) the renovation of the earth after the deluge
1c) the renewal of the world to take place after its destruction by fire, as the Stoics taught
1d) the signal and glorious change of all things (in heaven and earth) for the better, that restoration of the primal and perfect condition of things which existed before the fall of our first parents, which the Jews looked for in connection with the advent of the Messiah, and which Christians expected in connection with the visible return of Jesus from heaven.

 

OldRegular: //I believe you and me4Him need
to learn what regeneration means.//

see, you loose stuff when you delete a physical/literal
Millinnial Messanic Kingdom YOu miss out on discerning what
others are doing, when you overlook a physical/literal
Millinnial Messanic Kingdom.

BTW, nobody probably understands what I implied when I said:

BTW, even if one sets
dispensatin = 0, they still have a
dispensatinalist Doctrine.

That means those who rail against the dispensationalist
are railing against themselves - tee hee

 

Ed Ed

I still believe that you and me4Him need to learn what regeneration means.

 

We are looking to you as a role model.

What does a regenerated person do that
a non-regenerated person doesn't do?

Why is 1/4 of the New Testemant that tells
what a regenerated person will do taken
as a description of how to LOOSE YOUR SALVATION?
Wouldn't it be better to read such scriptures
as a guide to living your now regenerated life?

 

Mat 19:28 (KJV1769 with Strong's numbers):
And1161 Jesus2424 said2036 unto them,846 Verily281 I say3004 unto you,5213 That3754 ye5210 which have followed190 me,3427 in1722 the3588 regeneration3824 when3752 the3588 Son5207 of man444 shall sit2523 in1909 the throne2362 of his848 glory,1391 ye5210 also2532 shall sit2523 upon1909 twelve1427 thrones,2362 judging2919 the3588 twelve1427 tribes5443 of Israel.2474


And the Strong's entry says:

G3824
παλιγγενεσία
paliggenesia
pal-ing-ghen-es-ee'-ah
From G3825 and G1078;
(spiritual) rebirth (the state or the act),
that is, (figuratively) spiritual renovation;
specifically Messianic restoration:
- regeneration.

Sorry, just reading my Bible again.

This passage is speaking of the
physical, literal, earthly Millinnial
Messanic Kingdom. See Revelation 20 for
further details.