Christian "Rock"?

The origen of rock condemns it entirely.

Make the arguement that rock was birthed from the era of black Gospel, that offends many blacks.

Rock is too closely associated with lude and lascivious behaviour to even be considered Christian, except that much of the same behaviour is overlooked by most churches, and that to the detriment of society.

The drive of the beat appeals only to the flesh and is not of the solemn sort associated with worship, except to excite the flesh and worship the flesh as if to displace it by calling rock "of God".

Remember, "God Gave Rock-n-Roll To You"

 

So don't take it away. If Christian Rock or Praise and Worship music works, use it.

 

It doesn't "work", it only invites the world and dishonours God.

 

Nonsense...

 

Diggin,

So...let me see...what are you telling me about my student ministry, then...

Are you saying that most of my kids are there to fulfill their lusts with "evil" music?

Are you saying that the students in my church will leave en masse as soon as we unplug the guitar amp?

You must also be saying that the bus-load of kids that spent part of their spring break this week doing ministry for some widows and impoverished seniors in our area were actually simply looking for an excuse to fornicate and smoke dope in the leaves they were raking, because they (God forbid) happened to like a worship song written to and about God that had a drum beat somewhere in it...

Hogwash.

Blasphemy is often defined as "assigning a work of God to satan." Diggin, since you don't know my group, you aren't knowingly doing that, but dude, you're close.

Feel free to run your church as you'd like, but you're messing up by saying that God's not blessing here. I defend your right to dislike anything you wish...but just because you don't like it doesn't mean it's satan-spawned.

Controversial is one thing, but you oh, so close to blasphemous charges.

 

rbell, produce one verse from scripture where we are told to bring the lost in using the worldly values.

btw, I did not say anything about fornicating or dope smoking. You are the one that brought that up.

That could raise eyebrows, but I won't go there.

 

A former Minister of Music handed this out once, and I think it bears posting here:

Not long ago a farmer went to the city one weekend and attended the big city church. He came home and his wife asked him how it was. "Well," said the farmer, "It was good. They did something different, however. They sang praise choruses instead of hymns."

"Praise choruses," said his wife, "What are those?"

"Oh, they're okay. They're sort of like hymns, only different," said the farmer.

"Well, what's the difference?" asked his wife.

The farmer said, "Well it's like this - If I were to say to you:

`Martha, the cows are in the corn,' well that would be a hymn. If, on the other hand, I were to say to you:

`Martha Martha, Martha, Oh, Martha, MARTHA, MARTHA,
the cows, the big cows, the brown cows, the black cows,
the white cows, the black and white cows,
the COWS, COWS, COWS are in the corn,
are in the corn, are in the corn, are in the corn,
the CORN, CORN, CORN,'

Then, if I were to repeat the whole thing two or three times, well that would be a praise chorus."

A young, new Christian from the big city attended the small town church one weekend. He came home and his wife asked him how it was.

"Well," said the young man, "It was good. They did something different, however. They sang hymns instead of regular songs."

"Hymns," said his wife, "What are those?"

"Oh, they're okay. They're sort of like regular songs, only different," said the young man.

"Well, what's the difference?" asked his wife.

The young man said, "Well it's like this - If I were to say to you, `Martha, the cows are in the corn,' well that would be a regular song. If, on the other hand, I were to say to you:

Oh Martha, dear Martha, hear thou my cry
Inclinest thine ear to the words of my mouth.
Turn thou thy whole wondrous ear by and by
To the righteous, inimitable, glorious truth.

For the way of the animals who can explain
There in their heads is no shadow of sense,
Hearkenest they in God's sun or his rain
Unless from the mild, tempting corn they are fenced.

Yea those cows in glad bovine, rebellious delight,
Have broke free their shackles, their warm pens eschewed.
Then goaded by minions of darkness and night
They all my mild Chilliwack sweet corn have chewed.

So look to that bright shining day by and by,
Where all foul corruptions of earth are reborn.
Where no vicious animal makes my soul cry
And I no longer see those foul cows in the corn.

Then, if I were to do only verses one, three, and four and do a key change on the last verse, well that would be a hymn."

Putting it all in perspective...

And He also told this parable to certain ones who trusted in themselves that their worship style was the only acceptable form:

Four men went up in to the temple to pray, two traditional music directors and two contemporary worship leaders.

One of the traditional music directors stood and was praying thus to himself, 'God, I thank Thee that I am not like many other church musicians: untrained, unrefined, undignified, or even like these contemporary worship leaders. I program only the finest art music; I present only those works truly worthy of Thee.'

One of the contemporary worship leaders was standing off to the other side, praying like this: 'O Lord, I thank You that I am not like many other church musicians: stuffy, inhibited, stuck in a rut of boring and irrelevant music of the past. I present only the very latest songs and reach people where they're at.'

In another corner the other traditional music director and the other contemporary worship leader were kneeling and praying together.

The traditional music director prayed: 'Lord God, You know how easily the striving for artistic excellence can become idolatrous. When I use my gifts, may I always remember that they come from Your hand, and that You delight in all of the genuine gifts of worship which Your children bring, in all of their variety.'

The contemporary worship leader prayed: 'God, I only know four chords on the guitar, and I am not a polished performer; but I thank You for Your grace in allowing me to come near in worship, and for the privilege in leading others to Your throne. Thank You for all the different ways that Your people can praise You.'

"I tell you, these last two went away with their offerings of worship received by the Lord, rather than the others; for God is not so much concerned with the style of the musical gifts you bring, as He is with the humility of heart and genuineness of love with which you bring them."

 

Diggin,

Your fallacy is in your prime assumption:

1. "Don't be like the world." - the Bible

2. "the style I call Rock & Roll is worldly" - who knows

combine into:
3. "what I call 'Christian Rock' is thus worldly" - a combination of the Bible and who knows.

Prove FROM SCRIPTURE that your assumption number 2 is true.

 

AMEN Salamander!

In the other thread "New Hymns", I agreed with Joshua Rhodes that SOME of the new hymns which were written within the last 10 years are awesome and the lyrics are powerful. i.e.: In Christ Alone & How Deep The Father's Love . Most of what we call "Christian" music today is simply the "world's" music with "Christian" lyrics tacked on. "Christian" Rock is a misnomer--it is definitley NOT Christian--nor is it what I would call "music". It's sad that it is coming into the Church. Whatever happened to "psalms, hymns, and spiritual songs"?

 

John 17:14 I have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.

2 Corinthians 6:17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you,

 

ya beat me to it, sfiC! Thanks

 

AMEN Salamander! </font>[/QUOTE]Our youth group has a worship team and I feel you guys are being very arrogant and sitting in judgement of people you have never even met. I agree this kind of thinking is hogwash.

Based on your bias. Not on God's standards.

CCM is Spiritual songs and Christian Rock might not be music to you but that's basing things on your standard not God's.

 

and yet, none of those scriptures refer to music style.

 

Once again, I invite you all to show me from scripture what makes "Christian Rock" the "World's music."

-Show me how the "drum beat" is evil...from scripture.

-Show me from scripture where listening to music in the style of the day with God-honoring lyrics leads to wickedness.

-Show me from scripture types and styles of prohibited music.

Linda, I believe you quoted in another thread, "By your fruits ye shall know them."

If that is the case, and I have consistently seen God use our music here to touch lives and glorify His name, then doesn't that verse ring true?

BTW...here, the preaching of the Word is central. We do not and will not "worship the music" here. We use ALL forms of music...modern, old-timey, ancient. Ask me for our playlist and you'll see that.

 

Why do you guys insist on posting Scripture that is irrelevant to this discussion. Christian Rock is seperated and different from secular rock need I post lyrics and lifestyles?

 

SFIC, good try, but that doesn't prove that the MUSIC is evil. Yes, the messages of much of today's music is evil...much like the secular tunes that Wesley used to compose such great hymns such as "Rejoice the Lord is King."

You have shown from Scripture that we should be different than the world. But you still haven't proven that the medium of music (not the message of the text and our lifestyles, but the medium--the tonality, frequency, and auditory properties of the harmonic tones) is evil in and of itself.

Where does it say in Scripture that certain styles of musical media, in and of themselves, are evil?

I keep repeating this, but I want to be understood...I am FINE with you that feel this way to say "Not in my church!" But I object when you say, as Diggin did, "It is not of God."

 

need we be reminded that some 'have a form of godliness but deny the power thereof. i am reminded of a christian rocker, a drummer, a while back who was arrested for taking every stitch of clothing off including his undergarments at a christian rock concert. Everyone thought he was such a godly person.

Why, the news reports said he even took his underwear and wrung them out over the audience. And many supposed Christians cheered him on.

 

Why do you guys insist on posting Scripture that is irrelevant to this discussion. Christian Rock is seperated and different from secular rock need I post lyrics and lifestyles? </font>[/QUOTE]That's it cowboy, Scripture being irrelevent in any discussion!

 

Okay, folks, I've read in detail every one of the seven pages of posts, and not one post so far supports the idea that specific genres of music are inhierently sinful, evil, or in any way unscriptural.

That in and of itself supports what I've said many times. We need to objectively abd properly discern between what we dislike, and what is unscriptural. There appears to be no shortage of folks to equate their dislike of something with that thing being unscriptural. If that were so, then pumpkin colored carpet would be unscriptural. Oh wait, I think we'd all be in agreement that it is.

 

I've never heard of this, but would have a problem with it. But, condeming all because of a few is not the answer.